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Can someone source me to where the hell Intel said Broadwell will have DDR4? I mean seriously, the odds of Broadwell having DDR4 is SLIM. If Intel where to release DDR4 on a mainstream socket before their enthusiast/server socket they would be shooting themselves in the foot...


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I'd say DDR4 is further than a year away. If Ivy Bridge-E is coming out Q3 2013 there's no way in hell DDR4 is coming to even the most extreme desktop chipsets any sooner than Q3 of 2014. Intel wouldn't make DDR4 available on Broadwell before it's available on their enthusiast level chipsets, plain and simple.

Your likely going to see DDR4 from Skylake, Haswell-E and AMD's Excavator near 2015. I say this because during that time-frame is when Intel will be dropping a replacement for LGA 1150 and LGA 2011 and when AMD will be working on dropping Excavator and likely be replacing AM3+ AND FM2. It just makes sense.

Think of it like DDR3, it began getting demoed back in 2005, however it didn't hit the shelves until 2007 and it didn't become the real "Norm" until 2009. DDR4 is being demoed in 2013, will probably arrive in 2015 and become the norm a year or two after. I wouldn't be surprised if we continued to see "New" laptops with DDR3 memory in them for a year or so after DDR4 is released because of the prices.
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Can someone source me to where the hell Intel said Broadwell will have DDR4? I mean seriously, the odds of Broadwell having DDR4 is SLIM. If Intel where to release DDR4 on a mainstream socket before their enthusiast/server socket they would be shooting themselves in the foot...

That just gives my current setup more life.
I'm not upgrading until 14nm and DDR4 hits the shelves, mainstream or enthusiast..

I've been buying newest Intel platform at launch over the last three years. Time to give my wallet a 1-2 year break.
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Can someone source me to where the hell Intel said Broadwell will have DDR4? I mean seriously, the odds of Broadwell having DDR4 is SLIM. If Intel where to release DDR4 on a mainstream socket before their enthusiast/server socket they would be shooting themselves in the foot...
Intel never said what type of memory Broadwell will have, It's all speculation based on constraints, costs, and advantages. I'm not seeing much of a downside for DDR4 shipping with Broadwell. How exactly would they be harming their position by releasing DDR4 into mobile(BGA) parts a few months before server/enthusiast parts? The mainstream desktop socket would stay DDR3 until Skylake.
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Intel never said what type of memory Broadwell will have, It's all speculation based on constraints, costs, and advantages. I'm not seeing much of a downside for DDR4 shipping with Broadwell. How exactly would they be harming their position by releasing DDR4 into mobile parts a few months before server/enthusiast parts?

DDR4 intro prices in 2014 will be really high though(like 2007 DDR3 prices), so it would make more sense to give them to Server/Enthusisat parts as these people have more cash to spend for their Xeon/Haswell-E than your average folk do with their Broadwell Ultrabook/Macbooks.
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DDR4 intro prices in 2014 will be really high though(like 2007 DDR3 prices), so it would make more sense to give them to Server/Enthusisat parts as these people have more cash to spend for their Xeon/Haswell-E than your average folk do with their Broadwell Ultrabook/Macbooks.
Even if initial DDR4 prices are 3x that of DDR3, You're only looking at a $20 cost difference for a tablet with 2GB of RAM. The question is whether DDR4 helps platform power consumption and IGP performance enough to justify that.
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Even if initial DDR4 prices are 3x that of DDR3, You're only looking at a $20 cost difference for a tablet with 2GB of RAM. The question is whether DDR4 helps platform power consumption and IGP performance enough to justify that.

I highly doubt it just because Broadwell is only partially BGA ( only selected models) thus you can't have mobile Broadwell chips with DDR4 and Desktop Broadwell chips with DDR3(even more so if LGA Broadwell stays on LGA 1150).

A high-end, high cost, premium level product like DDR4 will have a easier time take root in the Server/Enthusiast market just like DDR3 demand took off with X58/1366 because these people are willing to pay top dollar to get the latest tech, imo it makes more sense to intro it for Haswell-E instead of going mobile first.
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I highly doubt it just because Broadwell is only partially BGA ( only selected models) thus you can't have mobile Broadwell chips with DDR4 and Desktop Broadwell chips with DDR3(even more so if LGA Broadwell stays on LGA 1150).

A high-end, high cost, premium level product like DDR4 will have a easier time take root in the Server/Enthusiast market just like DDR3 demand took off with X58/1366 because these people are willing to pay top dollar to get the latest tech, imo it makes more sense to intro it for Haswell-E instead of going mobile first.
If there are socket 1150 variants of Broadwell, then I'm probably wrong. I haven't heard of any though.
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