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Just be aware that the AP182 might not play well with the Aquaero
http://forum.aquacomputer.de/weitere-foren/english-forum/103165-aquero-5-and-silverstone-ap182-fans/
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Thanks for the heads up, a bit late, but thanks anyway biggrin.gif

I headed off and connected the aquaero to my laptop, connected an old (jumped) psu, the AP182 and booted into windows. Everything worked but after I understood aquasuite I went off and set the voltage to 6 and the AP182 completely shut off.

With the supplied controller connected I can control the RPM range from 170 to 2000. 170 is with the supplied controller set to low and the voltage to 6.0. When you push 12 volts through the fan at that setting it'll speed up to 500 volts.
WIth the supplied controller to high and the aquaero set at 6.6 volts the rpm lies around 1300.
With the aquaero back at 6 volts I tuned the AP182 with it's dedicated controller to 500rpm. Boosted to 12 volts the fan speeds up to 1100rpm.

While this isn't the amount of control I hoped to have the 500-1100 range isn't exactly bad, although not what I'd hoped for, although I can turn it completely off as well.
However I had a little idea, apparently it's possible to make voltage-controlled resistors. If I hook up the resistor end of the circuit to the AP182 (instead of the supplied controller) I'd obtain the full 500-2000 rpm range without putting much (if any) load on the aquaero. When used with a relay (on the 12v line to the AP182) I could still turn it completely off. Not that I think I'd need it but oh well, if I'm making a circuitboard I might as well do it right.
Just gotta ask one of my roommates what he knows about these kind of circuits since he studies Electrical engineering so he knows his way around this faaaaaar better than me.
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I think there is more to the manual controller that comes with the AP182 than simple variable resistance. It seems to be able to lower the fans start voltage significantly.
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post #44 of 52
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The external unit is just a potentiometer. It actually says it and I've put a multi-meter onto it.

But the internal circuit of the AP182 somehow interprets the value of the potentiometer and accordingly adjusts the rotational speed of the fan.
I wouldn't be surprised at all if the fan uses PWM to lower it's rpm, although that doesn't explain why the run-voltage rises to 6.6 from 6.0 when you switch from low to high setting. The starting voltage however stays the same at 7.0 volts.
post #45 of 52
When I saw these fans come out I tried to find some info and pictures but could never see how the manual controller connected to the fan.
I assumed it was just varying voltage to the fan but it must be more like the way D5 Vario pumps work. They have a variable pot inside them and Aquacomputer has used the same circuit to tack a digital speed control on with their USB D5.
So yes if you can get that digital controller in the right specs it should probably work the same.
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post #46 of 52
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My thought was the same at first, but since the AP182 draws so much current it would burn straight through any resistor when you try to tone it down limiting the voltage that way.
When I toyed with the aquaero and the AP182 the mosfet of that one channel I had the fan connected to got hot pretty damn fast, even with the AP182 blowing straight at it.
So yes, I do believe it works about the same as with the D5 vario's.

On another note:

XT45 with the top tank cut off

After some filing

After some more filing

After even more filing.
It's now so flat the only variances you see are impossible to feel, even with my nail so it's safe to say that they are only visually.

Got the quotation for the brass through school, which would be 120 euro's flat for a full meter (50x30x1000) which made me contact a guy I know who knows guys that have a lot of copper on their hands, 50x30 is a commonly used size according to him so who knows I get lucky.

Soldering this piece of copper will be another challenge but I bet I'll get it hot enough with a oxyacetylene torch to get the soldering tin flowing. (hell, if I had the skills I could probably weld the two damn parts together tongue.gif)

I'll probably have to wait till I hear back from they guy that knows guys before I'll make any progress, but I might try out the soldering on the rad, I have to fill the edge with solder anyways so no harm in seeing how that goes before I machine the new top.
post #47 of 52
Nah, AP182 is ONLY 15.6W ... Just 15.6W lol. The mosfets on fan controllers are good to 105C but ... it would probably melt something plastic first though wink.gif
There are variable pots that will take 15W but those are huge, nothing you can find in the size of the fan controller. I doubt the 34dB rating though MASSIVELY.
My deltas spin @ 2000rpm creating 34dB. Now a 180mm @ 2000rpm? Surely massively more.
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post #48 of 52
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Well, 34dB over ambient maybe?
Just tested it at full blast, with my iPhone as dB meter (yes very dodgy, but it gives an ok indication) and at full blast about 30 centimeter in front of it the fan the reading shoots up from a constant 40dB to about 70dB.

Definitely not something you want to run at full blast for sure, but I like the little headroom it gives me, although 3x180 isn't that bad to start off with anyways.
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Well, 34dB over ambient maybe?
Just tested it at full blast, with my iPhone as dB meter (yes very dodgy, but it gives an ok indication) and at full blast about 30 centimeter in front of it the fan the reading shoots up from a constant 40dB to about 70dB.

Definitely not something you want to run at full blast for sure, but I like the little headroom it gives me, although 3x180 isn't that bad to start off with anyways.
Well you should be 1m away tongue.gif
70db sounds pretty bad though .... Dodgy reading yes. That is.
It can't possibly be louder than my TFB0812UHE which is freaking tornado tongue.gif
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post #50 of 52
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Ok, got out of bed and measured at 1m. Ambient is now 35 and with the fan at full blast the phone says it's 55.
However a soft clap in my hands registers as about 65dB so yes, I would say too that the measurements are dodgy at the least. Definitely since a hard clap registers around 100dB, and that while the world record of the loudest clap (at 1m) is 97.7 tongue.gif

But still, at 2000rpm I would call the fan quite loud so the 34dB stated by silverstone is very dodgy as well tongue.gif
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