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Youve missed the point.

All those 3rd party program create issues.

We dont WANT to use them.

at least with your GFs PC you can increase the powerplay volltages in the bios.

I didn't miss the point, I read about OP's issues and told OP that myself and g/f have experienced no issues with Precision on my Nvidia card (except for a minor one with BF3+Windows 8 which was quickly patched) and she has had none using Trixx for well over a year and a half. We both combine our GPU OCing software with HWiNFO64 which we have also not had issues with, and we use it as a replacement for Afterburner's OSD GPU vitals.

I know you don't want to use third party software but you don't have a choice if you wish to OC or run a custom fan profile at this point in time. Write AMD a letter instead of posting here, or get on their forums and make a thread if you expect them to implement new features and to hear your cries for help. Posting here and whining about things not being your way isn't going to fix anything.

You can probably mod your BIOS and do a custom fan profile that way, as well.

I've missed no points.
     
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You cannot mod 7xxx series bios.

There is no tool to do so, and even if there was they are hash locked.
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I know extended clocks and voltage controls are a sensitive subject for enthusiasts and AMD alike. I always promise myself that I'll tackle tough topics head on to the limits of my personal knowledge on the matter.

So, I'll just pose a question:

How many inexperienced users will nuke their card if we gave them the ability to utilize potentially unsafe voltages and clockspeeds in the driver?

Keep in mind that a full 20-30% of all the bug reports we receive are user error, which should illustrate to you how dangerous such options might be to the average uninformed user. The kind of user who's totally content to get a graphics card, plug it in, install the driver and play. They don't know CCC all that well. There are millions and millions of those people.

I love overclock.net because it pushes the bleeding edge, but that edge is not for everyone. It puts hardware in jeopardy without years of knowledge and experience. Where do you draw the line?

I don't have the answer, because I'm just a marketing middle manager. tongue.gif But I'm an overclocker, too, and I see both sides of the issue.
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You cannot mod 7xxx series bios.

There is no tool to do so, and even if there was they are hash locked.

Excellent, one more reason for me not to buy one.

Hopefully someday AMD will clean up their act.

Nvidia kind of needs to do the same in some respects, however. Their drivers haven't been stellar lately either.
     
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I know extended clocks and voltage controls are a sensitive subject for enthusiasts and AMD alike. I always promise myself that I'll tackle tough topics head on to the limits of my personal knowledge on the matter.

So, I'll just pose a question:

How many inexperienced users will nuke their card if we gave them the ability to utilize potentially unsafe voltages and clockspeeds in the driver?

Keep in mind that a full 20-30% of all the bug reports we receive are user error, which should illustrate to you how dangerous such options might be to the average uninformed user. The kind of user who's totally content to get a graphics card, plug it in, install the driver and play. They don't know CCC all that well. There are millions and millions of those people.

I love overclock.net because it pushes the bleeding edge, but that edge is not for everyone. It puts hardware in jeopardy without years of knowledge and experience. Where do you draw the line?

I don't have the answer, because I'm just a marketing middle manager. tongue.gif But I'm an overclocker, too, and I see both sides of the issue.

I haven't bought a used video card since people figured out how to get voltage control working with rivaturner. Most people don't seem to understand how hot the vrms on their video cards get.
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I know extended clocks and voltage controls are a sensitive subject for enthusiasts and AMD alike. I always promise myself that I'll tackle tough topics head on to the limits of my personal knowledge on the matter.

So, I'll just pose a question:

How many inexperienced users will nuke their card if we gave them the ability to utilize potentially unsafe voltages and clockspeeds in the driver?

Keep in mind that a full 20-30% of all the bug reports we receive are user error, which should illustrate to you how dangerous such options might be to the average uninformed user. The kind of user who's totally content to get a graphics card, plug it in, install the driver and play. They don't know CCC all that well. There are millions and millions of those people.

I love overclock.net because it pushes the bleeding edge, but that edge is not for everyone. It puts hardware in jeopardy without years of knowledge and experience. Where do you draw the line?

I don't have the answer, because I'm just a marketing middle manager. tongue.gif But I'm an overclocker, too, and I see both sides of the issue.

I understand what you are saying and I agree with you but what about releasing two versions of the driver? One will be the 'standard' version (for most users) and the other will be the 'advanced' version with all these features built-in?
post #37 of 83
Sigh. The guys who wrote these third party utils generally know their beans too (such as Wizzard from TPU). Only so polished the product can be without direct access to more code I guess. Which brings us back to needing this from the source. I understand Thracks' point but don't MSI and Sapphire have to deal with the same thing? I would think that if providing Trixx and AB had resulted in more RMAs for popped VRMs and such then, well, they would no longer provide Trixx and AB. IDK, maybe my view is too simplistic.
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post #38 of 83
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Originally Posted by Thracks View Post

I know extended clocks and voltage controls are a sensitive subject for enthusiasts and AMD alike. I always promise myself that I'll tackle tough topics head on to the limits of my personal knowledge on the matter.

So, I'll just pose a question:

How many inexperienced users will nuke their card if we gave them the ability to utilize potentially unsafe voltages and clockspeeds in the driver?

Keep in mind that a full 20-30% of all the bug reports we receive are user error, which should illustrate to you how dangerous such options might be to the average uninformed user. The kind of user who's totally content to get a graphics card, plug it in, install the driver and play. They don't know CCC all that well. There are millions and millions of those people.

I love overclock.net because it pushes the bleeding edge, but that edge is not for everyone. It puts hardware in jeopardy without years of knowledge and experience. Where do you draw the line?

I don't have the answer, because I'm just a marketing middle manager. tongue.gif But I'm an overclocker, too, and I see both sides of the issue.

I understand what you are saying, however 3rd party tools already do this. Any shmoe can get them, and do the same damage you are concerned with.

Some of these tools are even made by the OEMs.

The problem is, without offical tools from AMD, the oems tools are always going to be second rate.

The solution is make the tools, just dont make it easy to enable.

That should keep the booboos aways...
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So, I'll just pose a question:

How many inexperienced users will nuke their card if we gave them the ability to utilize potentially unsafe voltages and clockspeeds in the driver?

Keep in mind that a full 20-30% of all the bug reports we receive are user error, which should illustrate to you how dangerous such options might be to the average uninformed user. The kind of user who's totally content to get a graphics card, plug it in, install the driver and play. They don't know CCC all that well. There are millions and millions of those people.

I'll pose a question:

If you know if gamers are going to use Trixx and Afterburner that use driver and even Afterburner's developer said, the unofficial overclocking is due to a debug hole in AMD's Drivers, why doesn't AMD just provide official and proper overclocking software? Make it part of the OverDrive software you provide for overclocking CPU and Ram? If AMD knows that OEMs are supplying overclocking software (almost all based on Afterburner) which use unofficial or driver holes to overclock, wouldn't it be safer for AMD to provide official ones?
post #40 of 83
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Originally Posted by Thracks View Post

I know extended clocks and voltage controls are a sensitive subject for enthusiasts and AMD alike. I always promise myself that I'll tackle tough topics head on to the limits of my personal knowledge on the matter.

So, I'll just pose a question:

How many inexperienced users will nuke their card if we gave them the ability to utilize potentially unsafe voltages and clockspeeds in the driver?

Keep in mind that a full 20-30% of all the bug reports we receive are user error, which should illustrate to you how dangerous such options might be to the average uninformed user. The kind of user who's totally content to get a graphics card, plug it in, install the driver and play. They don't know CCC all that well. There are millions and millions of those people.

I love overclock.net because it pushes the bleeding edge, but that edge is not for everyone. It puts hardware in jeopardy without years of knowledge and experience. Where do you draw the line?

I don't have the answer, because I'm just a marketing middle manager. tongue.gif But I'm an overclocker, too, and I see both sides of the issue.

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I understand what you are saying and I agree with you but what about releasing two versions of the driver? One will be the 'standard' version (for most users) and the other will be the 'advanced' version with all these features built-in?

That's not actually a bad idea. The standard driver could be made available the easiest method via the normal amd driver site. The advanced (or permanently beta version) could be made available using a separate less well known link, perhaps like how you find a hotfix link on the amd site. It takes some searching.
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