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Originally Posted by MaximilianKohler View Post

He's right.

And you guys saying "omg that's not true I can claw grip it so well!" is really silly. You can claw grip almost any mouse.
Both Spawn and Heaton (zowie designers) are 1.6 FPS players. The vast majority (90%+) of CS players use palm grip. I never read anywhere that this mouse was being made for RTS or quake. That's what their mico mouse was for. So we were expecting a mouse that can be used for all 3 grips and can be used for left handed players too. This mouse only satisfies those criteria for people with small hands (IE: asians). The mouse is too thin for most westerners to palm grip it.

What I said was that grip and particular anatomy play a role too (in ADDITION to the size of your hands).

I also think that Zowie communicates that this is a claw grip mouse. This is what is in the product description of the FK (it is literally the first sentence of the product description)

Zowie FK Pro Gaming Mouse:
The FK is similar to the AM in terms of specifications and features, and they are both ambidextrous mice developed for gamers who prefer a claw-grip play style, but that is where the similarities end.


The first bullet point in the list of features in the Zowie shop is
* Ambidextrous mouse developed for claw grip usage

In that sense, I am not really complaining I cant palm it, when it is being marketed as a claw-grip style mouse (and knowing this, I bought it with the intention to claw-grip it).

I do not know much about which percentage of pro players use what grip, but I am fairly sure that Spawn uses a grip that is more accurately described as a claw grip than a palm grip. He was one player I followed when I played Counter Strike fairly hardcore, and know this because I copied him to an extent. I am sure that if you look for it, you might find a picture of him resting his full hand on the mouse. But this was not his natural/common grip. Not sure about Heaton, but I think this might be part of the reason for the design decisions for at least the AM and maybe the FK.

I am not attacking you, I am agreeing with you. The mouse is indeed too small to palm grip for large or even medium sized hands. All I am saying is that it was never sold under the pretense of being an " all-in-one" kind of mouse (to be honest, I am not sure if those even exist). And I do not think anyone with larger hands should automatically disregard the mouse because of it. What they should do however, is think about what grip they want to use before buying a mouse, and choose one that they think would work for them.
Edited by kazuyamishima - 7/29/13 at 2:13am
post #1152 of 2197
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Originally Posted by fengshaun View Post

I've had the FK for about a month now and I have to say it's almost perfect! The switches are a tad bit stiff for spamming

Yeah, it's a FPS mouse, not made for click-spamming. Wheel and buttons are stiffer than usual (although wheel smoother than the AM). Changing switches looks easy enough.
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Originally Posted by MaximilianKohler View Post

He's right.

And you guys saying "omg that's not true I can claw grip it so well!" is really silly. You can claw grip almost any mouse.
Both Spawn and Heaton (zowie designers) are 1.6 FPS players. The vast majority (90%+) of CS players use palm grip. I never read anywhere that this mouse was being made for RTS or quake. That's what their mico mouse was for. So we were expecting a mouse that can be used for all 3 grips and can be used for left handed players too. This mouse only satisfies those criteria for people with small hands (IE: asians). The mouse is too thin for most westerners to palm grip it.

Zowie designers. haha... Made me laugh.

While I don't disagree that many or a majority use a palm grip, I do think you underestimate how many gamers actually claw grip, regardless of play style.
Edited by Skylit - 7/29/13 at 6:30am
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I am average, so I believe the average grip is clawpalm. Palm firm on mouse butt, but fingers are slightly bent so they are not on the mouse, but slightly above it and the finger tips on the buttons.

So technically it is a claw grip, but almost like palm grip.

I can palm the FK (tiny hands but long fingers), but the AM is more comfortable because it is slightly taller (and the wider bottom adds to it too). Still my natural grip is clawpalm with occasional finger tip if need bit more accuracy and slower movement (so it's like natural sniper button biggrin.gif)
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Ugh... that is so disappointing ._.

There are SO many claw grip mice (literally every single SS mouse)... and SO many palm ONLY mice... I think the WMO might be the only gaming-grade mouse which can be used for all 3 grips but it only has 3 buttons... oh maybe the razer krait would have qualified but it's not sold anymore frown.gif
BST's mouse will probably be the only gaming grade 5 button mouse on market that can be used in all 3 grips...
    
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Originally Posted by MaximilianKohler View Post

Ugh... that is so disappointing ._.

There are SO many claw grip mice (literally every single SS mouse)... and SO many palm ONLY mice... I think the WMO might be the only gaming-grade mouse which can be used for all 3 grips but it only has 3 buttons... oh maybe the razer krait would have qualified but it's not sold anymore frown.gif
BST's mouse will probably be the only gaming grade 5 button mouse on market that can be used in all 3 grips...
They need to make a mouse shaped like the original Intellimouse explorer. That seems like the best claw/palm/fingertip mouse shape. Maybe it's just because I grew up using one.

Strange that Microsoft pretty much hit the nail on the head with those 15 year old mice, and we're getting further from the ideal mouse shapes.
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sorry friends, i tried to find it in this thread but after 20 minutes of searching i like to just ask it:

what settings are the "best" for the Zowie FK in terms of tracking speed?

i noticed that the sensor of the zowie FK struggles if i move it as fast as i can (QcK+ black). i tested around with counterstrike 1.6 and my settings are 450 dpi / 1000 hz. does anyone have some results with 1150 dpi / 500 hz or something? i tested about every mouse on the market and the zowie FK is the perfect mouse for me in every single way exept the sensor issue with very fast movements :/

thx in advance
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Originally Posted by Krepieresel View Post

sorry friends, i tried to find it in this thread but after 20 minutes of searching i like to just ask it:

what settings are the "best" for the Zowie FK in terms of tracking speed?

i noticed that the sensor of the zowie FK struggles if i move it as fast as i can (QcK+ black). i tested around with counterstrike 1.6 and my settings are 450 dpi / 1000 hz. does anyone have some results with 1150 dpi / 500 hz or something? i tested about every mouse on the market and the zowie FK is the perfect mouse for me in every single way exept the sensor issue with very fast movements :/

thx in advance

use a red mousepad. try 1150dpi/1000hz and post back

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sorry friends, i tried to find it in this thread but after 20 minutes of searching i like to just ask it:

what settings are the "best" for the Zowie FK in terms of tracking speed?

i noticed that the sensor of the zowie FK struggles if i move it as fast as i can (QcK+ black). i tested around with counterstrike 1.6 and my settings are 450 dpi / 1000 hz. does anyone have some results with 1150 dpi / 500 hz or something? i tested about every mouse on the market and the zowie FK is the perfect mouse for me in every single way exept the sensor issue with very fast movements :/

thx in advance
1000Hz is bugged for all settings except 2300DPI. Set it to 450 DPI and 500Hz and see how that goes. I noticed a fair movement speed increase, but I still was able to cause my mouse to jump on my Qck+.

I really wish they had just put a normal lens in this mouse, instead of a special one to lower the liftoff distance. It's probably the reason why the tracking speed isn't good enough.
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Just need to adjust internal clock.
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