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Originally Posted by Art Vanelay View Post

Did you adjust for the 50 DPI increase?


I tested multiple sensitivities on the FK and no matter what the IE3.0 feels faster and smoother.
post #1312 of 2197
People need to stop trying to EXACTLY copy their sens from an old mouse to a different one. The DPI, Hz, Sensor doesn't just change/feel different...but the weight and shape of the 2nd mouse will play a part in movement speed as well. Just try new settings until you personally feel comfortable as you did with the old mouse.
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I always calculate the exact settings and then tinker with it. Per example if the calculation gives me a sensitivity of 2.3, you'll see me adjusting to 2.25 or 2.35 or even 2.0 or 2.4 if necessary in the course of a few days. Just use the calculation as a guideline.
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Originally Posted by ronal View Post

I tested multiple sensitivities on the FK and no matter what the IE3.0 feels faster and smoother.
It should feel smoother if you have a 9000 frame per second version of the Intellimouse. The sensitivity/speed, if setup properly, should be the same.
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People need to stop trying to EXACTLY copy their sens from an old mouse to a different one.
Using the same speed for all my mice is how I stay consistent.
Edited by popups - 8/27/13 at 12:49pm
post #1315 of 2197
Well i did exactly what Krepieresel and popups said, and i'm doing ok smile.gif sometimes also do like CorruptBE, tweak my sensitivity a little so i can feel more comfortable...
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Initial out of box impressions of the Zowie FK:

  • There is a MAJOR flaw with the design of the mold. (Regards the top shell and middle shell relationship)
  • Shape makes it difficult to press mouse 5.
  • Feels more solid of a build than AM and EC.
  • Main switches are stiffer than my AM-FG.
  • Side switches are lighter than my AM-FG.
  • For my hands the coating is not as good as the glossy Zowie mice, but better than DeathAdder BE.

I am pretty bummed about the mold design issues. I would say the AM is better in this regard. I cannot believe "testers" couldn't notice such an issue with the shell. In just 1 minute (I'm not BSing) of taking the FK out of the box I spot the issue.

I will play a few hours before I post more detailed stuff.
Edited by popups - 8/27/13 at 3:17pm
post #1317 of 2197
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Originally Posted by popups View Post

Initial out of box impressions of the Zowie FK:

  • There is a MAJOR flaw with the design of the mold. (Regards the top shell and middle shell relationship)
  • Shape makes it difficult to press mouse 5.
  • Feels more solid of a build than AM and EC.
  • Main switches are stiffer than my AM-FG.
  • Side switches are lighter than my AM-FG.
  • For my hands the coating is not as good as the glossy Zowie mice, but better than DeathAdder BE.

I am pretty bummed about the mold design issues. I would say the AM is better in this regard. I cannot believe "testers" couldn't notice such an issue with the shell. In just 1 minute (I'm not BSing) of taking the FK out of the box I spot the issue.

I will play a few hours before I post more detailed stuff.

Hi popups,

Nice to know you already got this mouse smile.gif
About mouse 5, i already shared that that.. Please share with us your thoughts about, scroll wheel and also switches while gaming smile.gif
For some reason today i didn't felt comfortable with shape. (and my main problem are in pistol rounds.. switches too stiff to press, get killed more often than usual..)
Scroll wheel is becoming a little bit loose, don't know if this is normal...
Going to give this mouse a try a day or two, if some of the problems persists (not comfortable with shape, switches and scroll wheel, i think i'm going to return it frown.gif )
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post #1318 of 2197
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Originally Posted by ronal View Post

I tested multiple sensitivities on the FK and no matter what the IE3.0 feels faster and smoother.
Turn down to 500 hz to improve smoothness. I don't know what to do about it being faster; it might just be due to differences in the sensor or shape. When I switch between my MX518 and G400, the 518 feels faster and more responsive, from what I would suspect is the prediction, but I can shoot a lot better with the G400.
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Negatives: Coating (Click to show)
The coating on this mouse makes my hand sweat a lot! As I sweat the coating gives me better traction. I never owned a mouse that made me sweat like this before. Yes, it does provide better grip than a DeathAdder BE. The coating feels like a chalkboard. I want a glossy version NOW!
Size (Click to show)
Reasons why this mouse doesn't suit standard palm grip users:
  • From the middle to the rear it is to thin.
  • Apex is to flat and not tall enough.
  • Front of the mouse is to low.
  • Sides have to much of a slant.
  • Aggressive grooves for mouse 1 and 2.

The rear portion of the mouse is too small. From mouse 4 on back it is too thin. This thinness gives you cramps if you hold it in the traditional (2 fingers on the side) palm grip. If it was wider from that point back it would be suitable for standard palm grip users. From mouse 5 on forward the mouse is wide. This would be fine if the rear was wider -- to give the user a natural grip. Since this isn't the case you will find the mouse (literally) a pain to use.

The top portion of the mouse should be at least 1mm taller by rounding the apex. The top of the mouse is to flat to give optimal support for palm grip users.

The front should be ~2-4mm taller to give proper space for two fingers to rest on the side of the mouse. The sides should not have that bend at the top. Instead the top shell should extend and have grooves like the EC.
Shape (Click to show)
The sides slant way to much to be comfortable for most grip styles. I find them uncomfortable for standard palm, claw and finger tip. Maybe this stems from the thinness of the mouse. Because of the sides, I think SteelSeries mice are better suited for claw or finger tip and the AM is better for palm.

Below mouse 5 the mouse is wider, below mouse 4 it is thinner. This makes it very difficult to roll your thumb upward to actuate the side buttons. I cannot do this technique for mouse 5 because of the increasing width of the sides. I have to remove my thumb from it's natural resting spot to activate mouse 5. For mouse 4 I can do it but it is uncomfortable because the rear is thin. To do the rolling technique I have to pretty much put my fingers on the buttons, yet it is still hard for me to activate mouse 5. It is easy to do this technique with the AM. However, the placement of the FK's buttons is better.

I wished from mouse 4 on back it was wider and shaped like the Intellimouse Optical. This would fill your palm better, which would remove hand cramps. It would also allow you to better lift the mouse.

I don't think the sides need to be that slanted to be functional. It would be nice if they were more subtle to stop the discomfort that occurs with your small finger and the cramp you get in your ring finger.
LOD (Click to show)
With the two pads I used the LOD is under 1.5mm. This can cause many problems for people as they swipe. Also this can ruin tracking with multi colored mouse pads. Don't think about using this mouse on a table, metal or glass surface.
Mold Design Flaw (Click to show)
If you press the top shell down, just above the side buttons, the main button area shifts towards the scroll wheel. It shifts until it hits the scroll wheel area. If you press down on the top center of the mouse the main buttons pass the sides of the mouse.

The result is two potential situations:
1) it stops you from using the buttons. If you press it down hard enough at the right place.
2) The top shell rubs the scroll wheel area while clicking.

Have I notice it to be an issue while playing? It didn't reach the level of non functional. However, it did cause enough movement for me to notice it negatively affecting the clicks. I definitely noticed mouse 2 sticking while I was using it. Mouse 2 is where most of the weight goes since I am right handed. It did affect my game play...

There is a video of someone playing with the FK with weird sounds coming from the mouse. I think this squeaking is from this mold issue.

From my perspective.

This is what happens when you want to cheap out with your new mouse! Zowe should have made a new PCB... They could have came out with a proper design... Who the hell makes their design decisions and who tests these mice!?

I am not sure I want to keep this mouse. I feel like Zowie doesn't deserve my money.

Positives: Build Quality (Click to show)
When I first took the mouse out of the box I noticed how "solid" it was. It feels like a higher quality product compared to the EC, even the AM. The scroll wheel doesn't have that issue the EC does. It doesn't have the (lack of) stress relief issue the AM does. The only thing I have seen so far is the improper installation of one of the mouse feet.
Scroll Wheel (Click to show)
The scroll wheel, compared to the AM, is a lot easier to reach. The AM's wheel is very low down into the shell. Whereas the FK's wheel sticks out of the shell the right amount. There is a nice long area in-front of the wheel to rest your finger, unlike the AM.
Pre and Over Travel (Click to show)
The mouse feels like it has minimal pre travel and a noticeable amount of over travel. Even though the switches are stiffer than the AM-FG, the shell allows me to click faster. That is if I don't experience that top shell flaw. I can click 72-75 times in 10 seconds with the FK, with the AM 66-68 times. It's much easier with the FK.
Cable (Click to show)
Standard Zowie cable. Medium thickness, rubber only / no braid, gold plated USB and stress relief. Doing the warm/hot water technique should allow you to straighten the cable.
Side Buttons (Click to show)
The side buttons are lighter than the AM's. They are closer to the EC in actuation force. The positioning is lower than the AM.

However, the negatives (described in the other section) hamper their usefulness.

Neutral:
Main Switches (Click to show)
The main switches are stiffer than my EC eVo and AM-FG. They feel more like the TTC switches in the Kana. I don't know why people think they are lighter.

In GO the switches fit perfectly. They slow you down enough to have great recoil control. I use my EC in GO because of this reason, as the EC has a lot of pre and over travel. I wouldn't be surprised if they chose this switch for this game.

For other games I can see this being a major negative. You will have less clicks per second and you will get tired faster.

Edited by popups - 7/29/14 at 11:10pm
post #1320 of 2197
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Originally Posted by popups View Post

Argh... I played a few hours with the FK. mad.gif

Negatives: Coating (Click to show)
The coating on this mouse makes my hand sweat a lot! As I sweat the coating gives me better traction. I never owned a mouse that made me sweat like this before. Yes, it does provide better grip than a DeathAdder BE. The coating feels like a chalkboard. I want a glossy version NOW!
Size (Click to show)
Reasons why this mouse doesn't suit standard palm grip users:
  • From the middle to the rear it is to thin.
  • Apex is to flat and not tall enough.
  • Front of the mouse is to low.
  • Sides have to much of a slant.
  • Aggressive grooves for mouse 1 and 2.

The rear portion of the mouse is too small. From mouse 4 on back it is too thin. This thinness gives you cramps if you hold it in the traditional (2 fingers on the side) palm grip. If it was wider from that point back it would be suitable for standard palm grip users. From mouse 5 on forward the mouse is wide. This would be fine if the rear was wider -- to give the user a natural grip. Since this isn't the case you will find the mouse (literally) a pain to use.

The top portion of the mouse should be at least 1mm taller by rounding the apex. The top of the mouse is to flat to give optimal support for palm grip users.

The front should be ~2-4mm taller to give proper space for two fingers to rest on the side of the mouse. The sides should not have that bend at the top. Instead the top shell should extend and have grooves like the EC.
Shape (Click to show)
The sides slant way to much to be comfortable for most grip styles. I find them uncomfortable for standard palm, claw and finger tip. Maybe this stems from the thinness of the mouse. Because of the sides, I think SteelSeries mice are better suited for claw or finger tip and the AM is better for palm.

Below mouse 5 the mouse is wider, below mouse 4 it is thinner. This makes it very difficult to roll your thumb upward to actuate the side buttons. I cannot do this technique for mouse 5 because of the increasing width of the sides. I have to remove my thumb from it's natural resting spot to activate mouse 5. For mouse 4 I can do it but it is uncomfortable because the rear is thin. To do the rolling technique I have to pretty much put my fingers on the buttons, yet it is still hard for me to activate mouse 5. The AM is easier to do this technique with, but the placement of the FK's buttons is better.

I wished from mouse 4 on back it was wider and shaped like the Intellimouse Optical. This would fill your palm better, which would remove hand cramps. It would also allow you to better lift the mouse.

I don't think the sides need to be that slanted to be functional. It would be nice if they were more subtle to stop the discomfort that occurs with you small finger and the cramp you get with your ring finger.
LOD (Click to show)
With the two pads I used the LOD is under 1.5mm. This can cause many problems for people as the swipe. Also this can ruin tracking with multi colored mouse pads. Don't think about using this mouse on a table, metal or glass surface.
Mold Design Flawed (Click to show)
If you press the top shell down, just above the side buttons, the main button area shifts towards the scroll wheel. It shifts until it hits the scroll wheel area. If you press down on the top center of the mouse the main buttons pass the sides of the mouse.

The result is two potential situations:
1) it stops you from using the buttons. If you press it down hard enough at the right place.
2) The top shell rubs the scroll wheel area while clicking.

Have I notice it to be an issue while playing? It didn't reach the level of non functional. However, it did cause enough movement for me to notice it negatively affecting the clicks. I definitely noticed mouse 2 sticking while I was using it. Mouse 2 is where most of the weight goes since I am right handed. It did affect my game play...

There is a video of someone playing with the FK with weird sounds coming from the mouse. I think this squeaking is from this mold issue.

From my perspective.

This is what happens when you want to cheap out with your new mouse! Zowe should have made a new PCB... They could have came out with a proper design... Who the hell makes their design decisions and who tests these mice!?

I am not sure I want to keep this mouse. I feel like Zowie doesn't deserve my money.

I will post some positives later.

Dear god, I've held back from Zowie for so long because of complaint posts like this only to find that the FK is the best mouse for me at the moment... All these issues are non-issues for me at least!
Top mold for example: I never apply pressure there while holding the mouse in a normal way. And it never "rubs the scroll wheel area" at all for me. If I press on the gap between M1 and M2 of course it forces the button parts to split. But I don't even rest any part of my hand there ever, so it's a non issue.

I've said it before, the size is fine for me doing the traditional palm grip. I don't get cramps at all (contrary to the Savu). I agree with M5 button, but that has been the case for each and every mouse for me because of the position of my thumb in my natural grip. The coating is very good for my dry hands too, I guess if you tend to sweat more it can become an issue.

Never had troubles with the LOD either, kinda like it that low.

I'm really considering buying the AM-GS as well now, because if all the issues people reported there are equally non-important to me it really looks like a great mouse.
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