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Originally Posted by Ino. View Post

No other way to get closer to 800, but as you said 5/11 is inconsistent.
I'd say get used to either 1150 or 575 dpi with 4/11.
So 5/11 is actually bad? Damn, looks like i'll have to get used to 1150, hope it doesn't cause wrist problems, that was the original reason I lowered it from 1600 years back (I played wow don't judge me)
post #1762 of 2197
Hey guys,

after reading that Zowie plans to release a new FK version, no yellow bottom, 24step wheel.. i thought to myself now or newer. So i ordered a FK and after unpacking it, i was pretty surprised! Yellow bottom + LOD "trick" + IR-LED + 16step wheel.

Meassured sensitivity is exactly 2380 (on various pads). Anyone else knows about this combination/mixture?
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Hey guys,

after reading that Zowie plans to release a new FK version, no yellow bottom, 24step wheel.. i thought to myself now or newer. So i ordered a FK and after unpacking it, i was pretty surprised! Yellow bottom + LOD "trick" + IR-LED + 16step wheel.

Meassured sensitivity is exactly 2380 (on various pads). Anyone else knows about this combination/mixture?
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Wow, that is really strange. They are obviously transitioning to the new FK. Technically your FK is still completely true to its spec-sheet I guess. So in that sense it is kind of OK.

That is a pretty special limited edition version you have there biggrin.gif
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Hey guys,

after reading that Zowie plans to release a new FK version, no yellow bottom, 24step wheel.. i thought to myself now or newer. So i ordered a FK and after unpacking it, i was pretty surprised! Yellow bottom + LOD "trick" + IR-LED + 16step wheel.

Meassured sensitivity is exactly 2380 (on various pads). Anyone else knows about this combination/mixture?
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Got one of these too. Performs like the previous model pretty much.
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I haven't been through all 88 pages but does anyone have the TL;DR of potential negatives about the FK?

I've owned three gaming mice all of which I've returned due to angle-snapping, etc. I value a mouse I can make very small movements at low dpi with and have full control, is the Zowie FK such a mouse?

Potential negatives about the FK when you comb through the topics on this forum (this is not everyone's opinion, these are just things that are mentioned).

-Not everyone likes the Huano switches, which are heavier than the typical Omrons

-Not everyone likes the shape (like every other mouse). The usual complaints are " too small" and specifically " too low". That said, the general response to the shape has been positive.

-Some people complain about the DPI steps, most often the ommission of 800 DPI. I have asked multiple times whether or not this is simply addressed by adjusting settings (like windows 6/11, 450 DPI, CS:GO ingame 1.75, instead of windows 6/11, 800 DPI CS:GO ingame 0.5). No one has answered me yet, though I am still pretty curious to learn how this affects things. The reason why I am wondering this specifically, is because even professionals play on ingame sensitivity settings that differ as much as from 1 to 3.5, and those are just the ones I know off. You would then expect that this has no profound effect, but I am not sure (could also differ per game, but even then, who is to say whether you are better off with low or high ingame sensitivity).

-Some people notice lag on the 450 DPI setting. Others say they do not notice it. I was told I was not " perceptive enough" , even though I play on low sensitivity, notice issues with other mice that some find only theoretical, and I should play " seriously" enough to notice with general stats over 2.0 K/D in every FPS like BLR, Tribes:Ascend and CS:GO and over 1000 hours played with the FK (except BF4 where I play almost exclusively infantry in objective based games and my K/D is 1.8). As it stands, this issue is unresolved. I am not saying people are talking nonsense, but we are not sure if all FK's are affected or whether there are other things contributing to the problem.

-Not all the Zowie mice have the exact same DPI settings. 450 DPI can be 480 on one mouse and 510 on the other.

-While the surface material/coating is generally liked, some do not like it. Personally I am not a fan of any rubberized coatings, and while the FK feels better than, for example, the EC or deathadder black, I would still prefer normal WMO style cheap ass plastic.

-The mouse-wheel is heavy and does not scroll smoothly. Some like this (every individual step on the scroll wheel is very distinct) others do not. This will be changed in the 2014 version of the FK.

-While the mouse is generally praised for its low lift off distance, not eveyone likes the low lift off distance. Some people have a habit of lifting their mouse from the mousepad a milimeter or so without the intention of stopping the sensor from tracking. This is not possible with the FK. It stops tracking when raised even very little.
Edited by kazuyamishima - 1/14/14 at 4:19am
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-Not everyone likes the Huano switches, which are heavier than the typical Omrons

-Not everyone likes the shape (like every other mouse). The usual complaints are " too small" and specifically " too low". That said, the general response to the shape has been positive.
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+1 To that, I loved the performance but the size dimensions just killed it for me, either it is a real PURE claw, or just too small, my hands hurt after weeks and took sometime to recover.
Coating not too bad but if you sweat it might not be good I also prefer MS 1.1A coating. About the Huano - after using Omrons I can't see myself going back to Huano.
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@ kazuyamishima : Ok, i see.

@ Ino. : Damn, i thought i was special! sad-smiley-002.gifbiggrin.gif
post #1768 of 2197
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Potential negatives about the FK when you comb through the topics on this forum (this is not everyone's opinion, these are just things that are mentioned).
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-Not everyone likes the Huano switches, which are heavier than the typical Omrons

-Not everyone likes the shape (like every other mouse). The usual complaints are " too small" and specifically " too low". That said, the general response to the shape has been positive.

-Some people complain about the DPI steps, most often the ommission of 800 DPI. I have asked multiple times whether or not this is simply addressed by adjusting settings (like windows 6/11, 450 DPI, CS:GO ingame 1.75, instead of windows 6/11, 800 DPI CS:GO ingame 0.5). No one has answered me yet, though I am still pretty curious to learn how this affects things. The reason why I am wondering this specifically, is because even professionals play on ingame sensitivity settings that differ as much as from 1 to 3.5, and those are just the ones I know off. You would then expect that this has no profound effect, but I am not sure (could also differ per game, but even then, who is to say whether you are better off with low or high ingame sensitivity).

-Some people notice lag on the 450 DPI setting. Others say they do not notice it. I was told I was not " perceptive enough" , even though I play on low sensitivity, notice issues with other mice that some find only theoretical, and I should play " seriously" enough to notice with general stats over 2.0 K/D in every FPS like BLR, Tribes:Ascend and CS:GO and over 1000 hours played with the FK (except BF4 where I play almost exclusively infantry in objective based games and my K/D is 1.8). As it stands, this issue is unresolved. I am not saying people are talking nonsense, but we are not sure if all FK's are affected or whether there are other things contributing to the problem.

-Not all the Zowie mice have the exact same DPI settings. 450 DPI can be 480 on one mouse and 510 on the other.

-While the surface material/coating is generally liked, some do not like it. Personally I am not a fan of any rubberized coatings, and while the FK feels better than, for example, the EC or deathadder black, I would still prefer normal WMO style cheap ass plastic.

-The mouse-wheel is heavy and does not scroll smoothly. Some like this (every individual step on the scroll wheel is very distinct) others do not. This will be changed in the 2014 version of the FK.

-While the mouse is generally praised for its low lift off distance, not eveyone likes the low lift off distance. Some people have a habit of lifting their mouse from the mousepad a milimeter or so without the intention of stopping the sensor from tracking. This is not possible with the FK. It stops tracking when raised even very little.

This is a pretty accurate TL;DR of this thread, however I'd like to comment on some of the things:
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-Some people complain about the DPI steps, most often the ommission of 800 DPI. I have asked multiple times whether or not this is simply addressed by adjusting settings (like windows 6/11, 450 DPI, CS:GO ingame 1.75, instead of windows 6/11, 800 DPI CS:GO ingame 0.5). No one has answered me yet, though I am still pretty curious to learn how this affects things. The reason why I am wondering this specifically, is because even professionals play on ingame sensitivity settings that differ as much as from 1 to 3.5, and those are just the ones I know off. You would then expect that this has no profound effect, but I am not sure (could also differ per game, but even then, who is to say whether you are better off with low or high ingame sensitivity).

This is mainly a problem for people who play 2D games where your sensitivity can not be changed as well as in FPS games, because with every count you move pixels, not angles. To get a faster cursor without skipping pixels you need more dpi, to get a slower cursor you can only throw counts away which can only do 1/2 (10101010...), 1/4 (100010001...), etc of the original speed or it is inconsistent like 5/11 in windows (111011101...)
In a 3D environment it mainly changes the feeling of your mousemovement. The smaller your angles are for turning the more smoothed out it will feel. There is nothing wrong with that, but some just like the feel of less smoothed angles, that's why they dislike higher dpi and rather use low dpi with a higher in-game sens to achieve the same distance for a 360° turn. Don't ever listen to people who say "high dpi is bad per se because all pros use low dpi".
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-Not all the Zowie mice have the exact same DPI settings. 450 DPI can be 480 on one mouse and 510 on the other.

All mice have variation from unit to unit with the dpi because of a plethora of tolerances that influence that (sensor hight, lens, etc.). That being said the Zowies seemed to be a bit more extreme in their deviation from the proclaimed dpi steps (on my older models with red LED the real steps were 480, 1220, 2380) but that seems different with the newer IR-LED batch. At least my two models (EC1 CL and FK) are closer the wanted values (447,1100,2215). Funny enough the newer models all have lower than proclaimed steps, the old ones had higher ones.
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Don't ever listen to people who say "high dpi is bad per se because all pros use low dpi"..
I'm not trying to be rude but I just had to lol at that, who are you again and what have you accomplished? Lets see... Lets take advice from countless top players (all of which use low dpi) or some guy named Ino on overclock.net that posts in the mice forums that's completely biased towards the product he uses, the fact of the matter is players want common dpi steps, they don't want to play on 2300 dpi and Zowie simply doesn't offer enough alternatives other than a buggy 450 dpi step which is still preferred by professionals, I'm getting pretty irritated that I have to keep explaining this to you.

Everything from lining up a quick precise grenade to general aim and flicking (smooth, snappy, etc) is completely different when you're playing on a dpi like 2300 compared to a dpi like 450 regardless of jitter, all these little intricate things add up and effect your game at a higher level of play.

@Metal as for your "The pros using nothing but 400 or 450 CPI is probably because they're used to it." yes that's highly true for most, but when you're talking about literally everyone, there's much more to it than comfort, you honestly think that every professional player out there knows nothing about their hardware?
Edited by superior - 1/14/14 at 8:11am
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The pros using nothing but 400 or 450 CPI is probably because they're used to it. I can't possibly see anything wrong if a game supports raw input, and you want to play at 1600 CPI instead then set your sensitivity to 1/4 of what it was. How the hell is extra turning granularity an actual detriment? Explain this.

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