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The pros using nothing but 400 or 450 CPI is probably because they're used to it. I can't possibly see anything wrong if a game supports raw input, and you want to play at 1600 CPI instead then set your sensitivity to 1/4 of what it was. How the hell is extra turning granularity an actual detriment? Explain this.

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Read again, I've edited my post.

How is something that gives you extra turning granularity going to hurt you, all you are doing is defending the pros. You haven't answered my question. How is 0.25 with 1600 CPI for example worse than 400 CPI with 1 in game sens assuming the sensor performs the same? That argument strikes me as insane.
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How is something that gives you extra turning granularity going to hurt you, all you are doing is defending the pros. You haven't answered my question. How is 0.25 with 1600 CPI for example worse than 400 CPI with 1 in game sens assuming the sensor performs the same? That argument strikes me as insane.
Did you totally miss my post?

"Everything from lining up a quick precise grenade to general aim and flicking (smooth, snappy, etc) is completely different when you're playing on a dpi like 2300 compared to a dpi like 450 regardless of jitter, all these little intricate things add up and effect your game at a higher level of play."

Insane or not, you remind me of one of those people that argues the human eye can only see upto x amount fps so what point is there in having more, its about feel and players feel the difference, what on earth is so puzzling about that?
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Did you totally miss my post?

"Everything from lining up a quick precise grenade to general aim and flicking (smooth, snappy, etc) is completely different when you're playing on a dpi like 2300 compared to a dpi like 450 regardless of jitter, all these little intricate things add up and effect your game at a higher level of play."

Insane or not, you remind me of one of those people that argues the human eye can only see upto x amount fps so what point is there in having more, its about feel and players feel the difference, what on earth is so puzzling about that?

Well, that argument with 2300 vs. 450 CPI still falls into the "I'm used to feeling like X when aiming so I continue to use X instead of Y." Okay, enough answering my question. I did read that, but that line offered me nothing new in the argument.

And also, I can EASILY tell the difference between 60 and 120 Hz monitors. Anyone who can't is...wrong.
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I'm not trying to be rude but I just had to lol at that, who are you again and what have you accomplished? Lets see... Lets take advice from countless top players (all of which use low dpi) or some guy named Ino on overclock.net that posts in the mice forums that's completely biased towards the product he uses, the fact of the matter is players want common dpi steps, they don't want to play on 2300 dpi and Zowie simply doesn't offer enough alternatives other than a buggy 450 dpi step which is still preferred by professionals, I'm getting pretty irritated that I have to keep explaining this to you.

Everything from lining up a quick precise grenade to general aim and flicking (smooth, snappy, etc) is completely different when you're playing on a dpi like 2300 compared to a dpi like 450 regardless of jitter, all these little intricate things add up and effect your game at a higher level of play.

@Metal as for your "The pros using nothing but 400 or 450 CPI is probably because they're used to it." yes that's highly true for most, but when you're talking about literally everyone, there's much more to it than comfort, you honestly think that every professional player out there knows nothing about their hardware?

See, you still don't get it.
I'm not even trying to say that how you do is wrong, it's just a matter of how you want the cursor to feel! It's not better or worse any way (as long as you have the minimal angle set in a way that allows for pixel precise aiming). It's a choice, people have different preferences etc. Also there are more games than Counter Strike, you know?

The CS pros use low dpi because that is the feeling they are used to. Simple as that. And the new ones that come to the scene see every pro use low dpi and what do they do? They use low dpi too, get used to a certain cursor feeling and stick with it because that is how you improve. Nothing wrong with that. It's just not "better" just because they use it. They would probably perform exactly the same with higher dpi and lower in-game sens if they were willing to adapt to the new feeling. But why should they etc.

Also I don't disagree that it would be awesome for Zowies to have an 800 dpi step or a 450 step that was more responsive. They are certainly not perfect. I think I wrote the exact same thing before, but once again: Every mouse has flaws, Zowies having these dpi steps, other mice having high LOD or jitter or terrible shapes or smoothing etc. I can live with the dpi steps and love the rest about the Zowies, that's why I'm using them. I would never recommend them to everyone because I'm well aware that they are not perfect.

Btw: wasn't there a list of the dpi steps current pros use together with in-game sens somewhere? Just curious as I have no connection to the CS scene at all, but that would be a nice database to set up for comparison.
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See, you still don't get it.
I'm not even trying to say that how you do is wrong, it's just a matter of how you want the cursor to feel! It's not better or worse any way (as long as you have the minimal angle set in a way that allows for pixel precise aiming). It's a choice, people have different preferences etc. Also there are more games than Counter Strike, you know?

The CS pros use low dpi because that is the feeling they are used to. Simple as that. And the new ones that come to the scene see every pro use low dpi and what do they do? They use low dpi too, get used to a certain cursor feeling and stick with it because that is how you improve. Nothing wrong with that. It's just not "better" just because they use it. They would probably perform exactly the same with higher dpi and lower in-game sens if they were willing to adapt to the new feeling. But why should they etc.

Also I don't disagree that it would be awesome for Zowies to have an 800 dpi step or a 450 step that was more responsive. They are certainly not perfect. I think I wrote the exact same thing before, but once again: Every mouse has flaws, Zowies having these dpi steps, other mice having high LOD or jitter or terrible shapes or smoothing etc. I can live with the dpi steps and love the rest about the Zowies, that's why I'm using them. I would never recommend them to everyone because I'm well aware that they are not perfect.

Btw: wasn't there a list of the dpi steps current pros use together with in-game sens somewhere? Just curious as I have no connection to the CS scene at all, but that would be a nice database to set up for comparison.

That's exactly my thoughts.

Here: http://www.hltv.org/forum/104448-pro-players-mouse-sensitivity-thread-database
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post #1777 of 2197
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Potential negatives about the FK when you comb through the topics on this forum (this is not everyone's opinion, these are just things that are mentioned).

-Not everyone likes the Huano switches, which are heavier than the typical Omrons

-Not everyone likes the shape (like every other mouse). The usual complaints are " too small" and specifically " too low". That said, the general response to the shape has been positive.

-Some people notice lag on the 450 DPI setting. Others say they do not notice it.

Great post, very detailed and thought out - thanks thumb.gif. Snipped for brevity.

Personally I don't think the smaller size will be an issue, as I found the OG Kinzu to be the perfect size for me and have always valued more compact mice (claw grip). So that's good. Will be interesting to find how the buttons feel.

The lag at 450dpi is something new. Reading through some of the posts it's been described as 'pixel walk'. Really hope this doesn't affect the new 2014 versions.

Still, it's the only mouse I could find that fitted what I am looking for so until I get my hands on one it's all one opinion over another biggrin.gif
post #1778 of 2197
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Not everyone likes the shape (like every other mouse). The usual complaints are " too small" and specifically " too low". That said, the general response to the shape has been positive.

On the topic of the shape, I've been getting some cramps lately and a little worried since I otherwise love the mouse. Not really sure what to do, power through? don't really want to put a 70$ mouse to waste and I actually really like the shape outside of my hand/arm cramping (which might be a symptom of my desk being too high since my elbow is at a <90 degree angle instead of >90 degree like it's supposed to be making my wrist bend downward)
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Can anyone explain to me why exactly the 450DPI setting is supposed to be bad?
With enotus I get about the same presicion and speed results with 450 as with the other settings and I don't feel any jitter nor see it in paint.
And what exactly does "lag" mean in this context? Can't say I feel it. is there any way to test if my FK has it at 450DPI?
post #1780 of 2197
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Originally Posted by RentoN View Post

Can anyone explain to me why exactly the 450DPI setting is supposed to be bad?
With enotus I get about the same presicion and speed results with 450 as with the other settings and I don't feel any jitter nor see it in paint.
And what exactly does "lag" mean in this context? Can't say I feel it. is there any way to test if my FK has it at 450DPI?

It's just feels delayed. I used 450 DPI on Zowie a long time, I felt something was wierd but I just couldn't tell what. Then I read here about the input lag and tried the 2300 DPI step (mine is ~2400) and 3/11 in Windows. Now I realy felt connected to the mouse, much snappier movement and it felt perfect. Just try out the 2300 step with 3/11 in Windows with the same cm/360. Then use what you prefer.
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