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post #391 of 2197
yes it does. but that is the point so many people don't get.
the shape is way more important than the sensor it uses.
and then its just practice practice practice...
remember the times when f0rest, get_right, edward of navi etc used the kinzu v1, which had MASSIVE acceleration.
they still dominated everything around the globe.
people think way too much that the equipment makes the skill ;D
post #392 of 2197
There's really no source, it's from watching them at tourneys.

Fifflaren does use the kana.
post #393 of 2197
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Originally Posted by Ukkooh View Post

Could you post a source for this info? I'm not doubting its reliability but I think it would be an interesting read.

You can see what equipment they use at tournaments on pictures by organizations that cover said events. Most popular is http://www.hltv.org.

Most of these teams are sponsored by companies like steelseries, razer and zowie, just to name a few. And most are under contract and are therefor obligated to use the gear of those companies. They don't always do it out of free will. They just take whatever they think is the best option from whoever sponsors them, practice with it and become good with it. Take for example Karrigan, currently playing for mousesports. He had to switch from razer gear to steelseries gear when he joined fnatic, and back to razer gear when he joined mousesports again.

I think ESC gaming is the only Top-Tier team I've seen that has always used their own mouse despite all of the organizations they've represented.


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Originally Posted by thorsteNN View Post

fifflaren kana
get right xai
f0rest kinzu
friberg + xizt ikari optical

(source nip-gaming.se)

Correct, except f0rest broke his kinzu v1 and replaced it with v2 rubberized version.

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Originally Posted by a_ak57 View Post

I find it interesting the Sensei is common, doesn't it have acceleration?

The things is, when you see people like skylit, bulleveyr etc. (i hope i wrote that right) speak on the subject that is peripherals and compare that to what the "normal" market actually knows and care about. You'll see that they and the people on this forum represent a very, very, very small portion of the market. Most of these pro players ( and not only them) hardly care or don't even know all the "flaws" that the sensei, kinzu (just to name a few) have.

Professional player just.... play. And they are good because they are exceptional players and a mouse isn't going to take it away from them. Nor will it give their skills to someone else. A 5% acceleration curve on their mouse isn't going to make them bad and probably won't improve their game either if taken away. They just practice with what they've got and will be good regardless.
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Originally Posted by thorsteNN View Post

yes it does. but that is the point so many people don't get.
the shape is way more important than the sensor it uses.
and then its just practice practice practice...
remember the times when f0rest, get_right, edward of navi etc used the kinzu v1, which had MASSIVE acceleration.
they still dominated everything around the globe.
people think way too much that the equipment makes the skill ;D

Exactly. And while the mouse an important factor, as long as the hardware doesn't hinder you in a huge way. You'll be good regardless if you were meant to be good and put in the hard work and practice.
Edited by scandalous - 3/21/13 at 11:27am
post #394 of 2197
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Originally Posted by scandalous View Post

Professional player just.... play. And they are good because they are exceptional players and a mouse isn't going to take it away from them. Nor will it give their skills to someone else. A 5% acceleration curve on their mouse isn't going to make them bad and probably won't improve their game either if taken away. They just practice with what they've got and will be good regardless.

You're spot on here.
post #395 of 2197
I certainly agree with above points. Comfort is my number 1 concern.
post #396 of 2197
One problem I have with the mouse:

The right mouse button is easier to press than the left one.
The left one feels like a AM switch. The right one like a G400 one.
post #397 of 2197
I agree to an extent. Comfort is king, but tracking does matter. You don't see FPS gamers use the sensei when they can use a kana or kinzu v2. FPS player will pick the best mouse from their sponsor and that is almost always an avago 3090 mouse.

RTS players don't care about 100% tracking as much which is why many pros use the sensei and g9x. However, everytime I see one, it's usually on a hard mousepad that minimizes acceleration.

There is a reason why many pro gamers use a deathadder or abyssus and not a naga or imperator when sponsored by Razer. They have comfort but also good tracking.

Do you know why Call of Duty is not as popular as CS 1.6 as a game for e-sports? The tracking properties and gameplay change each game. Pros can't develop the muscle memory to excel so COD is a small-time player despite being one of the biggest games (in terms of sales) out there. The training pros put in is intense and ferocious and they need to develop good muscle memory. So yes, tracking definitely matters.

As for the Zowie FK, I've been looking for a good claw mouse ever since I sold my CM Storm Spawn. The Scout Recon hasn't been available afaik in the states. Hopefully the Zowie comes out within the next month on someplace like amazon or newegg. I would slap some D2F-01F Omrons in that bad boy and go to town in SC2.
Edited by Diogenes5 - 3/21/13 at 2:53pm
post #398 of 2197
#397

As far as FPS gamers you actually see many more players using the sensei over the kinzu and kana regardless of sponsorship.
post #399 of 2197
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Originally Posted by zeflow View Post

#397

As far as FPS gamers you actually see many more players using the sensei over the kinzu and kana regardless of sponsorship.
Well yea it's marketed as the highest end gaming mouse SS has to offer and the kinzu and kana is for smaller hands.
post #400 of 2197
SteelSeries provides many sponsorships along with Razer. I don't know who is sponsoring more between those two.

If I had to use Razer mice, I would use the DeathAdder. Steel Series, I would likely use the Kana, maybe Ikari optical. Zowie, would go with the FK. Roccat, the Savu or Kone. The mice I would use if I had no imposed obligations, would be the Zowie FK, followed by a DeathAdder.

My priority is "accuracy" (deviation or acceleration, what have you) of the mouse over the shape. I can adapt to most shapes, my performance isn't really affected by it. Sure, comfort is sacrificed, but I will be uncomfortable for the sake of winning. My performance is not at its best when the cursor doesn't land in the same area in relation to my arm movement. I have become accustomed to moving a certain physical distance for a specific amount of in game movement. Additionally. my brain is working less when I do not have to compensate (much) for the sensor's accuracy. In other words, my brain isn't working as hard trying to calculate the required movement for every kill, it just becomes reflex/instinct.

Switches, scroll wheels, cables, colors, light effects and mouse feet, are things you can generally ignore during play.

For me: sensor -> mold/shape -> scroll wheel -> switches -> cable.
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