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We're not viewing this from an internal standpoint. We're viewing this from a consumer standpoint. Who cares about how much nvidia pays to produce each chip. All I care about is the bottom-line price of what it takes to get the card into my hands for use. How it gets there, to me, is wholly irrelevant.

Key words there.

The people saying the chip is mid range are coming from a completely different perspective, no one is refuting that they launched it with a high end name and a high end price.
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post #132 of 833
...this launch may also have something to do with "4K" monitors etc, certainly the 6 GB mem versions (considering NVidia surround, 3d etc). Still, for now I'm glad that I'm SLIng in this arms race as a way to tide me over....biggrin.gif
post #133 of 833
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We're not viewing this from an internal standpoint. We're viewing this from a consumer standpoint. Who cares about how much nvidia pays to produce each chip. All I care about is the bottom-line price of what it takes to get the card into my hands for use. How it gets there, to me, is wholly irrelevant.

Calling nvidia's "tools" superior is also an area that I consider subjective. I have found AMD's drivers of late to be more stable and easier to work with than nvidia's. I play BF3 more than anything else, and I've found that the 7870 with the Cat 12.11 and 13.1 drivers offers a more enjoyable experience. The 310.90 drivers deliver frame stuttering on most graphical settings, and to me, that's unacceptable, especially when the GTX 660 Ti is considered a higher-end card than an HD 7870.

I still hold that positioning of anything in the market is more important than internal use or intended use from a corporate standpoint. How it gets into the hands of the users is more important than all else, and vaporware (GK100) will be just that; vaporware.

It will be interesting to see how nvidia positions GK110 when it is released to the consumer market.

In all honesty, if you don't care about internal development, you shouldn't talk about chip design and their internal codenames at all. For you GtX 680 is a high end product, you would be correct but fact is that GK104 is a midrange ASIC. And by tools he's not talking about gaming drivers I imagine. More likely instruction set support and CUDA ecosystem is what he is talking about. He's correct though, GeForce and Quadro have better support in the majority of software. Especially in GNU/Linux.
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I really wanted to get a 780 Lightning next but of course Nvidia has to go and screw that up too. This voltage lock crap is making me never want to buy Nvidia again. Maybe I will just go ahead and get two 680 Lightnings; the last great Nvidia single-gpu card it seems...
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Freaking try and stop me. tongue.gif Like I said, I've been waiting for a big GPU successor to the 580 for a while now.

The GTX680 pounds the GTX580 wth.gif
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I really wanted to get a 780 Lightning next but of course Nvidia has to go and screw that up too. This voltage lock crap is making me never want to buy Nvidia again. Maybe I will just go ahead and get two 680 Lightnings; the last great Nvidia single-gpu card it seems...

You just have to grab the soldering iron tongue.gif Even a pencil might be enough.

It really isn't that different from the 8800GTX days, and everyone knows those were great cards.
 
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In all honesty, if you don't care about internal development, you shouldn't talk about chip design and their internal codenames at all. For you GtX 680 is a high end product, you would be correct but fact is that GK104 is a midrange ASIC. And by tools he's not talking about gaming drivers I imagine. More likely instruction set support and CUDA ecosystem is what he is talking about. He's correct though, GeForce and Quadro have better support in the majority of software. Especially in GNU/Linux.

Already acknowledged the bolded part in an earlier post. thumb.gif
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Nvidia had no qualms taking $800 for the 8800 Ultra, if the GK110 was ready to be a geforce-chip back then they would have released it. The point is that the time was not right to release a GK110-based Geforce, probably because of a combination of yields, 28nm manufacturing costs and capacity, and there's reason to believe the original GK100 was scrapped more than a year ago.

Also, consider the supposed specs of this "Geforce Titan": 732 MHz core with 14 SMX units and 6 ROP/L2/memory partitions with 6 gigs of GDDR5 at 1300MHz
Let's compare the theoreticals to the 680:
+27% shading/texturing performance (the GTX 680 has more than enough of this)
+9% rastering performance (the main bottleneck of the current Kepler crop)
+30% memory bandwidth (not really a bottleneck for the 680 in most games)
+23% TDP
This doesn't actually look like that much of an increase in performance to me, but at least it will have a ridiculously high OC potential.

I predict around 25% more than a 680 in actuall games.. and 1 hell mof bottleneck with sli/3 sli setups
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Dont see why everyone is so happy? Frst of all the current Nvidia line up is great. However, the price tag these are gonna be going for is so ridiculous. Any one who buys one at that price IMO is a sucker. If thats what Nvidia has in store for us Ill pass on this gen, or go AMD.
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the article at sweclockers says 85% performance of a GTX 690 (which is slightly slower than GTX 680 SLI) you can expect 0.85 x 1.8x GTX 680 performance = 1.53x GTX 680 performance.

the launch pricing clearly seems to be an indication of low yields and volumes. Now all we need is for AMD to pull off a HD 4870 launch repeat. HD 8970 at 85 - 90% the perf of a GTX 780 for USD 500. Now that would bring serious competition to the high end GPU market. biggrin.gif
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