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Whoa. Whoa. Let's back up here wink.gif

Premiere and photoshop work just fine on both the 680 and 7970, however -- there are certain GPU features that neither board can take advantage of because premiere and photoshop bypass the windows API. That necessitates special drivers programmed and tailored for what adobe uses. Generally speaking, no consumer level GPU has these functions - you need a workstation card.

For full functionality within those programs you need a firepro or quadro. In fact, you cannot use 10 bit color in premiere or photoshop with either nvidia or AMD unless you are - again - using a firepro or quadro. That's what those boards are designed for, they are bundled with special drivers that unlock the full functionality within adobe applications such as premiere and photoshop. That isn't the case with either the 680 or 7970. You'll notice 680 isn't on their list -- But , the K20 and K20X have special drivers to unlock full functionality and 10 bit color for adobe programs. So do the firepros. It is a driver level function, and while adobe does include some of that in the program, you have to get the premium workstation cards to get full GPU acceleration in photoshop and premiere. Along with 10bit color as well since Adobe bypasses with windows API and does it's own thing.
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My GTX 470 has full GPU acceleration in AP via the mercury engine. I do take a hit in performance with my GTX 470 vs Quadro 5000, though all Radeons and even FirePro and FireGL boards are a no go. Well I think I saw someone on youtube have the engine enabled on a 2012 MacBook with an AMD GPU in it, but he needed OSX for that (well duh, since he uses a MacBook tongue.gif ). They really need to fix their support...
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Definitely.

Looks like I might be keeping my GTX 470 a bit longer..I wonder if I can have it just idling unless its for stuff like that.

Do you guys remember this?
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/adobe-cs5-cuda-64-bit,2770.html

In CS6 we no longer have to do the hack, since there are a lot of Nvidia cards natively supported.

Instead of going into the AMD OpenCL issues, you can read up on it here.
http://icrontic.com/article/adobe-premiere-pro-cs6-and-the-amd-gpu-support-conundrum
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Do you guys remember this?
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/adobe-cs5-cuda-64-bit,2770.html

In CS6 we no longer have to do the hack, since there are a lot of Nvidia cards natively supported.

Instead of going into the AMD OpenCL issues, you can read up on it here.
http://icrontic.com/article/adobe-premiere-pro-cs6-and-the-amd-gpu-support-conundrum

You're skimming the surface, and perhaps you didn't read the article that you linked (CPU tests?) thoroughly. Some functions are covered, but not all; you'll also notice the GTX 680 isn't among those listed. Among those listed, not all features are supported, and 10 bit color output is not supported. Again for that you will need firepro or quadro.

The only way to get full 100% acceleration and 10 bit color in the adobe suite is with a firepro or quadro card; the only way to get full 10 bit color output is with a firepro or quadro card. Things have been this way for a while - The photo editors that I work with have attempted to get 10 bit output with geforce cards and it doesn't work. It's a driver level issue - and the adobe suite bypasses the windows API so while Geforce cards offer 10 bit out via D3D, they do not offer 10 bit output in the adobe suite. Now, the suite comes with limited acceleration on some functions but for full acceleration and 10 bit output you need the drivers and software associated with workstation cards. Both the firepro and quadro lines have software and drivers specifically tailored to the adobe suite that allow 10 bit output and full acceleration of the adobe suite (since adobe bypasses windows API)

I know you're trying to make a compelling argument here, but you are in the wrong. The only possible way to get 10 bit output is with firepro or quadro, the only way to get full acceleration is firepro or quadro. Even with that said, you'll notice that the GTX 680 and K20/K20X aren't in the supported accelerators list. Guess what? the K20 works - you just need the software that comes with the K20. It will not work on the 680.

This is part of what you pay for with workstation cards. The software and drivers - these are exclusive to workstation cards and will not work on consumer level cards, period.

Honestly, a lot of this is nonsense because its offtopic. We're talking about gaming cards here. I'm sure there was a compelling argument somewhere but when we're talking gaming cards, I feel this is a tangent.
Edited by xoleras - 1/24/13 at 6:21am
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I have tested haswell and im under NDA.

While I do believe you... the temptation to reply "yes, me too" is overwhelming biggrin.gif

Is it a significant upgrade to SandyBridge or are you testing ES samples?
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You're skimming the surface, and perhaps you didn't read the article that you linked (CPU tests?) thoroughly. Some functions are covered, but not all; you'll also notice the GTX 680 isn't among those listed. Among those listed, not all features are supported, and 10 bit color output is not supported. Again for that you will need firepro or quadro.

The only way to get full 100% acceleration and 10 bit color in the adobe suite is with a firepro or quadro card; the only way to get full 10 bit color output is with a firepro or quadro card. Things have been this way for a while - The photo editors that I work with have attempted to get 10 bit output with geforce cards and it doesn't work. It's a driver level issue - and the adobe suite bypasses the windows API so while Geforce cards offer 10 bit out via D3D, they do not offer 10 bit output in the adobe suite. Now, the suite comes with limited acceleration on some functions but for full acceleration and 10 bit output you need the drivers and software associated with workstation cards. Both the firepro and quadro lines have software and drivers specifically tailored to the adobe suite that allow 10 bit output and full acceleration of the adobe suite (since adobe bypasses windows API)

I know you're trying to make a compelling argument here, but you are in the wrong. The only possible way to get 10 bit output is with firepro or quadro, the only way to get full acceleration is firepro or quadro. Even with that said, you'll notice that the GTX 680 and K20/K20X aren't in the supported accelerators list. Guess what? the K20 works - you just need the software that comes with the K20. It will not work on the 680.

This is part of what you pay for with workstation cards. The software and drivers - these are exclusive to workstation cards and will not work on consumer level cards, period.

Honestly, a lot of this is nonsense because its offtopic. We're talking about gaming cards here. I'm sure there was a compelling argument somewhere but when we're talking gaming cards, I feel this is a tangent.

Erm
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Quadro 5000
Quadro 4000
Quadro FX 5800
Quadro FX 4800
Quadro FX 4800 Mac
Quadro FX 3800
GeForce GTX 470
GeForce GTX 285

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/adobe-cs5-cuda-64-bit,2770-3.html


You don't need a Quadro for everything and there are still benefits to a CUDA GPU while using Adobe.
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While I do believe you... the temptation to reply "yes, me too" is overwhelming biggrin.gif

Is it a significant upgrade to SandyBridge or are you testing ES samples?

It was an ES. I can't say anything else as Im under NDA.
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Why not name this card a 780? If nvidia has this card ready im sure they have some chips that didnt quite make the cut and could be 770's

I think the reason would be the X80 flagship cards have been entrenched at the $500 price point for some time and this thing will be selling at a $900 price point featuring 6 Gb Vram, while nvidia also outlawed any and all non reference design of this card, seems more like a limited edition mutli-monitor focused superflagship limited edition card, because this card's price & no non-reference allowed policy is a lot more like 690 than 680.

Having this card name the 785 Titanium still allows Nvidia to sell a 10 SMX 3 GB vram version of GK110 or a 10SMX 3GB VramGK114 as GTX 780 at $500 price point while allowing more non-reference designs.
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So... Wait. Will this card work in sli with the original card? Or is it just a completely different card with a similar name
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-snip-

Fact of the matter is, for my needs the GTX 470 speeds up a lot of the renders, and enables GPU acceleration, something a 7970 simply can not do.



I'm not willing to shell out $2200 for a Quadro, when the 470 suits my needs just fine and is the next best thing.

Have you bothered to check this part?
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/adobe-cs5-cuda-64-bit,2770-3.html



Results with AND without CUDA
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/adobe-cs5-cuda-64-bit,2770-10.html
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/adobe-cs5-cuda-64-bit,2770-11.html

You can't claim I'm wrong, when you have no idea how I use my hardware, and whether or not my card makes a difference in the edits and renders that I do. I'm well aware it's not going to give me the capabilities of a Quadro.

I've tested with and without a 470, with and without a 460, even tested a GTS 250, and more specifically WITH and WITHOUT GPU ACCELERATION. There's a reason I upgraded from a 460 to a 470, for the price I paid, I'm quite satisfied.

In CS5 it was an even bigger deal, because the Mercury Playback Engine was built with CUDA, AMD cards were simply not an option, and they still are not an option in CS6.
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It was an ES. I can't say anything else as Im under NDA.

ahh, yes with an ES you won't see super noticeable gains over previous gens.
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ahh, yes with an ES you won't see super noticeable gains over previous gens.

Not true.
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