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Poll Results: Which features are most important to you in a Mini ITX case?

This is a multiple choice poll
  • 7% of voters (92)
    Size - the smaller the better. I don't need a full GPU, I want a HTPC-style box.
  • 77% of voters (1009)
    Size - I want it to be small, but I want a full size GPU and full size PSU in there.
  • 11% of voters (154)
    Air cooling - I want lots of fan options, top, sides, back, front.
  • 31% of voters (411)
    Air cooling - I want it to perform well out of the box but we don't need to perforate every single panel.
  • 25% of voters (329)
    "Sleek, Modern" Design - The BitFenix Prodiigy, NZXT Phantom Series, Corsair 600T and other cases with unique designs are my favorite.
  • 49% of voters (646)
    "Refined, Aluminum" Design - Silverstone, Lian-Li, and Corsair Obsidian Series are more my speed.
  • 34% of voters (454)
    Quiet - I want this thing whisper quiet.
  • 45% of voters (596)
    Liquid Cooling - it'd be nice to be able to fit a 240mm radiator in this thing
  • 7% of voters (97)
    HDD Capacity - I want to make a RAID or NAS box, so I want at least four 3.5" drive bays
  • 36% of voters (477)
    HDD Capacity - I just plan on running an OS and a storage drive - two or three drive bays is fine as long as there's native SSD support.
  • 18% of voters (246)
    Portability - handles and whatnot are really important to me. So is overall weight and durability.
  • 19% of voters (255)
    Scent - I like all my computer products to be scratch and sniff. Please make this smell like Lilacs.
  • 2% of voters (32)
    Other - posted in thread.
1308 Total Votes  
post #1181 of 1303
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Originally Posted by osaft View Post

This case is a bad joke!!! 30L?!!
Is this really what your going to release as your first mini-ITX(!) case after all this good suggestions I saw here?!
To be fair, they did give people what they asked for, according to the poll. First and third highest picked option were for ATX PSU and 240mm rad support, respectively. That's very hard to do under 20L, while still leaving enough room for cable management and good airflow. Forget about trying to make it happen in 15L.
post #1182 of 1303
Sure but they have to prioritize..! Especially with an mini-ITX case.

Otherwise your bound to end up with something like this!

It might even sell well! The Prodigy did. But more with people who where new to this.

It's just so disappointing... after they asked us.
post #1183 of 1303
What were you expecting? Take a look at the poll above and you will see that this case satisfies every single majority vote from all choices. So clearly the majority of the people wanted something like this. If you are not happy with it, they revealed plans to have at least another model smaller than this in the Obsidian line and other ITX cases in their other lines such as graphite perhaps.
post #1184 of 1303
They have to prioritize... rolleyes.gif

1. 77% (Clear winner. Should be our main priority!)
2. 49% (Sure, we could do that.)
3. 45% (After some thinking. That's not an option at this point.)
4. 36% (Sure. Just fits in with our main priority... 1x 2,5'' SSD + 1x 2,5'' HDD sounds perfect.)

...

You can't have it all. The next case should than set 3. as main priority...
Maybe that is what they were doing an the case I wished for is still coming out.
post #1185 of 1303
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Originally Posted by osaft View Post

Sure but they have to prioritize..! Especially with an mini-ITX case.

Otherwise your bound to end up with something like this!

It might even sell well! The Prodigy did. But more with people who where new to this.

It's just so disappointing... after they asked us.

Sorry you are disappoint! But, someone was bound to be disappointed. redface.gif

I feel comfortable that they did a good enough job putting forward a decent product as far as design is concerned and I look forward to transferring to this new case.
post #1186 of 1303
Well, those of us hoping they were going to make something size efficient might take comfort in the fact that he did say they were considering a line of ITX cases, not just this one. So maybe this is the mainstream competitor, and eventually they'll make something smaller.
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post #1187 of 1303
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Originally Posted by osaft View Post

This case is a bad joke!!!

I'm done here... doh.gif

I'm confused, how do you feel?

Look, let me be perfectly clear on something before we go too far down this path:

This case is our first Mini ITX case and was never intended to be the smallest design.


I made that clear a number of times over the last year. It was designed to fit the requirements here - to make an easy transition from somebody who normally builds a mid tower and may want to downsize. Don't have to worry about nearly impossible cable routing, poor cooling, poor GPU compatibility, poor HDD layout, etc. It was designed to be an Obsidian series, which have NEVER been the most compact cases, and are all about design flexibility.

So when half of you guys think it's too big, that's great! We cannot possibly make something that makes everybody happy. Go buy something smaller. There are options. In a while we'll release more and more Mini ITX products and maybe you'll like one of them.

But I'll give you a hint - the 2nd Mini ITX case we're going to launch is even going to be slightly larger than this one, so get your pitchforks and torches ready.

I'm not ignoring the ultra small form factor (<20L/<15L) sizes, I just decided not to do them first. They're out there, and they'll be around sometime. But for now, most Mini ITX buyers aren't buying the <15L cases so we have to base our first products at a mass market.

You guys may hate the Prodigy, but it's a great case and a resounding success for Mini ITX. The BitFenix guys hit a great combination of features and size and it's evident by their tremendous success. So rage against it all you want, but that's the most popular Mini ITX case in the world and there's a reason - it's small but not so small as to be annoying and difficult to build and tough to select parts for.

The 250D addresses our main complaints with the Prodigy, such as some of the form factor options and installation locations and whatnot. It's significantly smaller. It offers easier building and cable routing. So that was our goal: design a product that lots of people will like.

So for you guys who hate it - that's cool, I totally get it. Please feel free to buy a Hadron or NCASE M1 or SG05 or whatever. No hard feelings here, I knew you guys weren't my audience for this one. Sorry if you're disappointed we didn't address every concern from every customer, but how about a little respect here?
post #1188 of 1303
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Originally Posted by AJR1775 View Post

Read over the reviews and specs, my two cents:

I own a Bitfenix Phenom mITX which is a refaced Prodigy. For comparison, this Corsiar mITX is 2.5" wider, 2" shorter, and 1" shallower. So, the internal volume is about 10% less on the Corsair. That's a big plus in my book considering you can still fit ATX case type components such as ATX power supply, full sized GPU, two hard drives, and a 240mm radiator. The only negative I see on this case is the front fan, it should be a quality low noise model but an SP one instead of AF. Also, only real exhaust option is the two 80mm fans above the motherboard I/O plate. So, without those two 80mm fans there is no real direct airflow path, you pump in with the front fan and the two side fans on intake increasing air pressure internally and the rest just vents out on it's own. The perforated panel for the GPU side is a wise idea, the closed panels build up a lot of heat on the mITX cases. For a first mITX, this is a solid little case and I like it very much.

I believe this is akin to a mini version of the HAF XB. If they released another version with the same frame but a fan mount or two on the top panel instead of a window (Coolermaster did this with the HAF XB Evo) it'd likely be optimal for radiators ala Bitfenix Prodigy.

If you blow a hole in the top windowed panel and replace it with a dual 140 or dual 120mm fan mounts you will have cooling that exceeds the Silverstone SG10.

edit: 5.25" bay is 148mm wide, 150mm deep/long, 42.3mm height so you can probably remove the 5.25" bay mounting and put in a slim radiator or closed loop 25mm thick rad and slim fans
Quote:
Originally Posted by exzacklyright View Post

I would have been fine with these features:

- Full Length GPU
- SSD cages only
- As small and silent as possible. I don't really need a h100i.

I could really care less for HDD's these days.... You can build a NAS if you need storage.

Are there any cases like this out yet?

What rivals the SG05 or Node 304?

It seems the Node 304 is built more for a NAS than really a gaming build. I don't need all their cages to be honest.

Small and silent are diametrically opposed. The smaller the air volume the more it needs to be moved out of the case to dissipate heat.

The Silverstone SFX PSU for example idles at the max fan speed of some Platinum ATX size PSUs

edit 2:
u3b3rg33k, the Prodigy needs to be watercooled with a full loop in order to not be considered "big"

see http://www.tonymacx86.com/attachments/retail-cases/32751d1348704753-bitfenix-prodigy-water-cooled-jack-o-lantern-mod-bitfenix_06.jpg
Edited by AlphaC - 1/9/14 at 11:38am
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post #1189 of 1303
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Originally Posted by CorsairGeorge View Post

I'm not ignoring the ultra small form factor (<20L/<15L) sizes, I just decided not to do them first. They're out there, and they'll be around sometime. But for now, most Mini ITX buyers aren't buying the <15L cases so we have to base our first products at a mass market.

I'd say it has to do with the fact that there is always something wrong with them... <15L buyers are perfectionists. They switch cases often, they keep moding. I really think corsair could have set a new reference here. >15L or >20L buyers are more likely to be the kind of people who don't know whats best for them until they see the unbelievable 10L case from corsair... and than they start to appreciate it. And ask why nobody else has thought of this and that.
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Originally Posted by AlphaC View Post

The smaller the air volume the more it needs to be moved out of the case to dissipate heat.

The Silverstone SFX PSU for example idles at the max fan speed of some Platinum ATX size PSUs

ATX size PSU's have usually 120/135 or 140 mm fans and they move more air/round than those 80 mm fans in SFX PSU's...
A smaller volume of 'standing' air inside the case is actually better for cooling!

I don't want to post this one picture again (I'm getting sick of it... winksmiley02.gif) ...
But looking at it it is easy to see how cold air from outside hits immediately the tower cooler and is than directly blown out of the case by the PSU fan. Imagine that in an ATX case... you'd need alot more fans to get this kind of 'wind tunnel' airflow! To much 'standing' air and to much distance between intake and components. All air inside is beeing constantly mixed... small case = loud/hot-> myth*

* ...something Corsair could have cleared once and for all! wink.gif
Edited by osaft - 1/9/14 at 11:26am
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Just when you thought the Nvidia vs AMD fanboys were bad, the SFF guys come along and show them
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