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Poll Results: Which features are most important to you in a Mini ITX case?

This is a multiple choice poll
  • 7% of voters (92)
    Size - the smaller the better. I don't need a full GPU, I want a HTPC-style box.
  • 77% of voters (1009)
    Size - I want it to be small, but I want a full size GPU and full size PSU in there.
  • 11% of voters (154)
    Air cooling - I want lots of fan options, top, sides, back, front.
  • 31% of voters (411)
    Air cooling - I want it to perform well out of the box but we don't need to perforate every single panel.
  • 25% of voters (329)
    "Sleek, Modern" Design - The BitFenix Prodiigy, NZXT Phantom Series, Corsair 600T and other cases with unique designs are my favorite.
  • 49% of voters (646)
    "Refined, Aluminum" Design - Silverstone, Lian-Li, and Corsair Obsidian Series are more my speed.
  • 34% of voters (454)
    Quiet - I want this thing whisper quiet.
  • 45% of voters (596)
    Liquid Cooling - it'd be nice to be able to fit a 240mm radiator in this thing
  • 7% of voters (97)
    HDD Capacity - I want to make a RAID or NAS box, so I want at least four 3.5" drive bays
  • 36% of voters (477)
    HDD Capacity - I just plan on running an OS and a storage drive - two or three drive bays is fine as long as there's native SSD support.
  • 18% of voters (246)
    Portability - handles and whatnot are really important to me. So is overall weight and durability.
  • 19% of voters (255)
    Scent - I like all my computer products to be scratch and sniff. Please make this smell like Lilacs.
  • 2% of voters (32)
    Other - posted in thread.
1308 Total Votes  
post #131 of 1303
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Originally Posted by HPE1000 View Post

Butcher it up so you can say it's smaller. I dont care, I am just saying, a lot of the mini itx people with small cases despise the prodigy for the fact of it being so massive.

The people who have been using mini itx since before the prodigy came out dont like it, the prodigy did bring more people over to mini itx, so I guess that is a good thing for us in the way that they will make more mini itx motherboards.

I don't think you can single handledly say that every ITX user pre prodigy hates it. Because I don't. I don't own one but I've built in one and it was a nice looking case.

I'm just trying to say that not EVERY ITX user is looking to make their case as small as possible.
post #132 of 1303
I said A LOT, not all... Come on...

What gets mini itx builders enticed is cramming hardware like to tomorrow.
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Originally Posted by HPE1000 View Post

Butcher it up so you can say it's smaller. I dont care, I am just saying, a lot of the mini itx people with small cases despise the prodigy for the fact of it being so massive.

I am done with this, any further responses will be ignored as I am not going to feed into this anymore.
Edited by HPE1000 - 2/2/13 at 7:02pm
 
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post #133 of 1303
This thread has lots of ideas and suggestions of what people want in a M-ITX chassis. Case Labs M-ITX
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post #134 of 1303
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Originally Posted by xNovax View Post

This thread has lots of ideas and suggestions of what people want in a M-ITX chassis. Case Labs M-ITX

That's case-labs, totally different wants/needs/expectations than most other OEM's.
post #135 of 1303
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Originally Posted by HPE1000 View Post

Butcher it up so you can say it's smaller. I dont care, I am just saying, a lot of the mini itx people with small cases despise the prodigy for the fact of it being so massive.

The people who have been using mini itx since before the prodigy came out dont like it, the prodigy did bring more people over to mini itx, so I guess that is a good thing for us in the way that they will make more mini itx motherboards.

its all about what you are used to i believe, i have a mid tower and my friend's HAFX looks huge compared to mine whereas dimensions dont say so, its not that big. prodigy is still seriously small for most users too.
     
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post #136 of 1303
Apologies in advanced for being forward but I believe someone else had the same idea in an earlier post - I just wanted to make a mock up using paint (also excuse the poorness).

Here is the C70 shrunk down to what I believe is close to ITX size - note this is completely estimated and not to scale:



* Not exactly small but fits most of the criteria...
* Traditional tower layout with cable management space behind the motherboard.
* Can be possibly shrunk down further, made longer
* 240mm rad mounts on roof - offset to give clearance to Motherboard heatsinks (or in the case of the P8Z77-I the daughterboard).
* Optional Dual 5.25 Bay (for res) or none at all
* 180mm or 140mm front fan (possibly 240 if no drive bays or cages?)
* Move Handle/Latches further to the edges
* Clean side window (no fan mounts please - just plain ugly).
* Possibly move the PSU behind the motherboard to shrink down even further (heck go SFX).


Feel free to comment/criticize/manipulate/edit.
Edited by subnet - 2/19/13 at 1:22am
post #137 of 1303
Quote:
Originally Posted by subnet View Post

Apologies in advanced for being forward but I believe someone else had the same idea in an earlier post - I just wanted to make a mock up using paint (also excuse the poorness).

Here is the C70 shrunk down to what I believe is close to ITX size - note this is completely estimated and not to scale:



* Not exactly small but fits most of the criteria...
* Traditional tower layout with cable management space behind the motherboard.
* Can be possibly shrunk down further, made longer
* 240mm rad mounts on roof - offset to give clearance to Motherboard heatsinks (or in the case of the P8Z77-I the daughterboard).
* Optional Dual 5.25 Bay (for res) or none at all
* 180mm or 140mm front fan (possibly 240 if no drive bays or cages?)
* Move Handle/Latches further to the edges
* Clean side window (no fan mounts please - just plain ugly).
* Possibly move the PSU behind the motherboard to shrink down even further (heck go SFX).


Feel free to comment/criticize/manipulate/edit.

Pretty cool idea, I would love a small C70 myself.
post #138 of 1303
I'd concur that a baby Vengeance would be great - but a 2nd enclosure to fit in the Obsidian line is definitely needed - for HTPC type builds.

The Vengeance should cover LAN gamers or those who aren't looking for a subtle build - but could actually be released as a mATX/Mini-ITX version, that way you could use a triple-slot GPU if desired.

An Obsidian model would be only Mini-ITX and for living rooms or those looking for a quieter case.

All IMHO, of course....
post #139 of 1303
Note that the overwhelming majority of voters want an ATX PSU.


I vote to take some design cues from both NCASE and SLE's Compact Splash. Here's my contribution:
  • Dual rad up top; vent the top
  • Dual rad on left side near top (use bracket like NCASE); vent the side
  • Top, rear, and bottom panels removable from frame for easier access to internals
  • Removable motherboard tray, either separate or integrated with the rear panel (I like the integrated idea myself)
  • Like on Compact Splash, vent the rear generously since there will not be room for a fan
  • ATX PSU up FRONT, mounted as intake, oriented power left, modular plugs right; vent the left side panel appropriately
  • Vertically-oriented motherboard, placing graphics card at the bottom of the case; vent the bottom of the case
  • Definitely take the top-fill-port/bottom-drain-port idea from Compact Splash (SLE's a damn genius with that)
  • Two 2.5" drive mounts on the reverse side of the motherboard
  • Include rubber screw grommets to screw into to prevent hardmounting HDDs, and/or include 4 1x1" squares of 3M tape
  • Add a shelf for a DDC pump/res combo on the right side case wall, approximately where it is on Compact Splash
  • Also borrow Compact Splash's front IO setup, where you can add or remove it in very confined spaces
  • Offer a windowed and non-windowed left side panel, but for the love of God still vent the windowed side panel where appropriate
  • Use steel. Not aluminum, not plastic, steel. I don't like echo chambers.


Dimensions

From here, let's start making a few assumptions. An Alphacool 240 rad is 279mm long, one of the longer 240 rads. An ITX mobo (176mm) plus modern ATX PSU's height (86mm) plus a 20mm gap add up to 282mm. A GTX 690 is 11", or 279mm. We can live dangerously and call the internal case depth 285mm, but 300mm is probably safer. Because the front-mounted PSU is below the a top-mounted radiator, the two won't interfere. Because the PSU is only 150mm tall, this means you can squeeze a 135mm wide radiator above it to allow two 240 rads, neither of which competing for space with the PSU. Assume a 2mm thick steel bracket. We can estimate internal case depth to be about 295-300mm.

Onto height. If we assume a standard slim rad is about 35mm, add a 25mm thick fan, the 176mm motherboard (conservatively allowing 5mm overlap with top fan/rad), a dual slot GPU being about 30mm (conservatively 10mm overlap with mobo and going under the PSU), we end up with 256mm of used space. A top-mounted and side mounted dual rad would fight for space in the top-left corner, so the top rad has to go above the side rad, necessitating another 60mm of height to accommodate rad and fan thickness and totaling 311mm. Call the internal case height 315 (leaves some leeway for the side radiator mounting bracket) and be happy.

Width. Since we put the PSU on its side, many (most?) modern PSUs are 160mm on their longest edge (big 850W+ excepted). Looking at my Seasonic X650, the heatshrink ends about 30mm away from the PSU itself. It's easily bent at the 20-25mm area though, so we'll work with that. Add 5-10mm for a right-angle power plug that routes to the back and you have just about a 190-200mm internal case width. Checking other components and still assuming a slim rad and its mounting bracket, we'll see a 63mm-ish rad/fan/bracket thickness. If we leave a good inch (25mm) behind the mobo tray, assume the mobo tray is 5mm thick, give 5mm standoff between the tray and mobo, factor in another 5mm-ish from back of mobo to CPU, we get 40mm of space used from that side. Take 65mm of rad/fan thickness from the other side, and you're left with 85-95mm of space between the CPU and the side-mounted rad/fan. By the way, the Apogee Drive II pump/CPU block combo is only 61.5mm tall and fittings don't extend above that. I think the average CPU block without pump is < 38mm tall, so if you squeeze a pump elsewhere you can possibly push-pull the side mounted rad or even use a thicker one. Anyway, give 195mm internal case width and be happy.


Overall internal dimensions: 300mm (D) x 315mm (H) x 195mm (W). Assume 3mm steel, add +6mm to each of those for external dimensions.


Now you've got an 18.4L case with a full ATX PSU, room for two 240 rads, that is literally half the volume of the Prodigy (and I'm about positive that you can trim some of the overall height down). If you air cool, you have 155mm for a tower cooler. Cable management is pretty easy since the PSU cables are already pointed towards the mobo-tray side of the case and you've got a full 25mm back there to work with; it gets even easier with custom sleeved/sized cables. The power cable routed along the left side bottom corner makes it more or less invisible.


(And SLE said I couldn't add an ATX PSU while keeping the size small. Hah! tongue.gif)
Edited by BBEG - 2/20/13 at 8:12pm
    
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I just want it in RED biggrin.gif.
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