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Poll Results: Which features are most important to you in a Mini ITX case?

This is a multiple choice poll
  • 7% of voters (92)
    Size - the smaller the better. I don't need a full GPU, I want a HTPC-style box.
  • 77% of voters (1009)
    Size - I want it to be small, but I want a full size GPU and full size PSU in there.
  • 11% of voters (154)
    Air cooling - I want lots of fan options, top, sides, back, front.
  • 31% of voters (411)
    Air cooling - I want it to perform well out of the box but we don't need to perforate every single panel.
  • 25% of voters (329)
    "Sleek, Modern" Design - The BitFenix Prodiigy, NZXT Phantom Series, Corsair 600T and other cases with unique designs are my favorite.
  • 49% of voters (646)
    "Refined, Aluminum" Design - Silverstone, Lian-Li, and Corsair Obsidian Series are more my speed.
  • 34% of voters (454)
    Quiet - I want this thing whisper quiet.
  • 45% of voters (596)
    Liquid Cooling - it'd be nice to be able to fit a 240mm radiator in this thing
  • 7% of voters (97)
    HDD Capacity - I want to make a RAID or NAS box, so I want at least four 3.5" drive bays
  • 36% of voters (477)
    HDD Capacity - I just plan on running an OS and a storage drive - two or three drive bays is fine as long as there's native SSD support.
  • 18% of voters (246)
    Portability - handles and whatnot are really important to me. So is overall weight and durability.
  • 19% of voters (255)
    Scent - I like all my computer products to be scratch and sniff. Please make this smell like Lilacs.
  • 2% of voters (32)
    Other - posted in thread.
1308 Total Votes  
post #321 of 1303
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Originally Posted by NFSxperts View Post

Corsair should release 4 types of itx cases.
  • One smallest size possible without expansion
  • One small size with gpu support
  • One large itx case for watercooling
  • One large with at least 10 3.5" bays and gpu support

Or one small case, and one larger which can be easily reconfigured with optional parts.

I'd love a m-ITX I can cram at least 50TB worth of drives into.
 
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post #322 of 1303
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Originally Posted by prava View Post

Why would you need 520W in such a small enclosure? Also, a long rectangular psu is not good... because you require a tiny fan that will be very noisy.

Because my titan and 3770k OC'd with my h220 would likely get me close or too close to the 450w line? Plus its more efficient to not run at the very edge of a PSUs capacity.

Good point with the fan, but then maybe add some form of passive heatsink on it so my case airflow will remove the heat? the long rectangle is placed easier, in some orientations where the regular SFF PSUs are better in others. It's already been shown many times you can fit a 120mm rad + a 240mm rad in less than 20L with full water cooling and good fans and the right size PSU, so why would I want to compromise?
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post #323 of 1303
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Guys, about 10 years ago one of the directors of NASA said that when engineering, there are three main aspects:

1. Affordability
2. Quality
3. Development Cycle

Or:

1. Cheap
2. Good
3. Fast

He said you have to pick two.


I think that sounds like quitting. If you compromise before you even start, you've already lost. I refuse this.

I don't think it's necessary to compromise on features and form factor. When we're talking Mini ITX a lot of you guys are using volume, and that's understandable. Overall case volume is the full size. However, there's another aspect, and that's footprint. Every Mini ITX case is likely to be used on the desktop instead of on the floor. If your desk is anything like mine, it's already got a ton of stuff on it. External USB hard drive for backup, a NAS box for a home file server, a printer, my U2410 monitor, a huge MM200 mousepad, my K70 keyboard, headphone stand, some pictures of family, a little place for my keys, watch, and wallet, etc. And since it's a flat surface in a public room - it becomes the de facto place where people set things down when they come over.

So I'm well aware of the need to keep the form factor reasonable, but between overall volume and footprint, I actually think the footprint is a bit more important. I'd rather not make a Mini ITX case the size of the 200R, but keeping the footprint reasonable is a big plus in my book.

The FT03 Mini is taller than the Prodigy, but takes up less desk space. The overall volume is lower, too (17.6L vs 26.35L). It's a lot less usable and harder to work, internally, but there are good aspects to it as well.

Any Corsair case will measure pros and cons - but I can tell you right now, our first Mini ITX won't be targeted at the ultra SFF crowd. There just aren't enough sales there, especially in the "enthusiast" market we cater to. So if you want a Mac Mini sized box with an external power brick, please don't wait for us, and go ahead and shop around for other brands because that's not the direction we're going.
post #324 of 1303
Look, honestly, I don't care what you do as long as it plays "final countdown" when I boot my machine. Maybe throw in a disco ball?
post #325 of 1303
@CorsairGeorge: nobody is talking about that die-hard segment. For reference, a Mac mini has a volume of less than 1.5L, and there aren't any decent DC psu options out there, so of course we are talking about the same (if you plan to add a decent gpu, that is, as it's kinda impossible to find any DC option that goes higher than 200W). At the end of the day, the motherboard by itself will require no less than 4L by itself, and a big VGA card at least 1L. Of course a 10L could be made... but it would have far too many compromises. I know, and I'm sure others do, that Corsair won't even touch the sub-15L segment... but even at 20L the job needs to get done to release a product that is efficient in all regards.

The point remains, though. And you need to keep in mind that vertical solutions create a huge cluster of cables all around, and aren't that good of a solution. As a former owner of the FT03 I can make such statement (and I think that Silverstone has such patent, too). Yes, you could make the IO face the rear side of the case (and not the top, then), but you would require to have a riser of some sort in order not to make the case very tall... as tall things will fall easily.
At the end of the day, though, everything requires space, and cables will clutter everything if a good solution is not found. Also, making a very small clase very flexible will make it bigger... and you will end up in mATX territory, just any minute.

To me, a case is where I'll start my build. If I see a case I like, I'll build a computer around... and the problem with the mITX industry, as of today, is that you have to make far too many compromises to get any decent solution. Prodigy? Too big. The Lian-Li ones? Too many flaws in usability, etc. I have faith in Corsair, though, since they have achieved a great success in every thing they have placed their interest. They started with psu's (and my HX520 and HX620 are still kicking after many years of service), cases and desktop peripherals, and they brought innovation in every single step.


@Avonosac: If you have a Titan, efficiency shouldn't bother you that much. Also, the Silverstone psu is a Gold one, and a very good one at that. I've checking some power consumption graphics of the Titan and it seems to go around 420W... measured at the wall for a full LGA2011 system, which seems like a 450W would do very good with it.


@Mopar63: you are right about smaller cases requiring less cooling... to an extent. If you have ever worked with a small case you will know that cables will create a huge clutter... and, thus, restriction is a lot higher on a mITX case, simply because there isn't any empty space air can move easily around. That's why the builds need to be planned so carefully, and is the problem we have today, because cables tend to take all the little room there is in such small cases.

Regarding the ODD.. I'm on the "no-ODD" camp (or a slim one, at that), but I understand why a major vendor such as Corsair would go the ODD route. It's a compromise, a choise in design you make, that will have its pro's and con's, and there is no winning in such argument. Which why I barely addresed it.

About the HDD's... there I don't agree. I think 99% of the computer users will use a 3.5" HDD in one way or another. I can live with one, but I can't without, or else I'd have to go external (me and most others) which would break the point of having a small case when you need basic staff to be on the outside of the case. 1 x 2.5" and 1 x 3.5"? I could do, but I'd rather have 3 options, as the 2.5" don't require much space to be set up, and since they don't make any heat (mostly), they can be placed wherever you want and not care. On the other hand, the mech HDD's will require some cooling... which is something that needs to be factored to avoid the Ft03 fiasco (yes, my HDD's got toasty in the case, which is the reason I had to go another route and sell the case).
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post #326 of 1303
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Quote:
Originally Posted by LuckyDuck69 View Post

Look, honestly, I don't care what you do as long as it plays "final countdown" when I boot my machine. Maybe throw in a disco ball?

We can have it play Michael Jackson's "Don't Stop Till You Get Enough" every hour on the hour, like a grandfather clock.
post #327 of 1303
Here is my tidbit of compromise. If we can provide enough power for a 690/7990 and an i7 3770K or 3930K then we have a strong enough power supply and move on. A 690 is rated at 300w on their website and factoring in overclocks maybe 375? 3930K is 130w, so a 520-550w small form factor would probably do it. If you can then create a case to house enough radiator for these two things we are in business!

As a consumer I am willing to compromise ( i use this word loosely) on platter drives and disc drives. Externals are readily available, extensions are cheap, and can allow for nice remote mounts to more convenient locations than where the box is in general; to me these are not a compromise as I rarely ever use them, but I understand those who use this as a media machine may value it higher than I. If that is such a big deal I d offer a slim drive option, but please for the love of God offer a replaceable panel for us that don't want that slit for no reason.

Secondly I would like to see only SSDs be considered. External hard drives are cheap, available, and a lot of content can be stored on a big ass box somewhere else in the house remotely or accessed through wireless. SSDs have dropped tremendously in price and sizes are reaching quite tolerable levels. I as a consumer would pay the difference to have a box that better suited my form factor needs and still retained excellent cooling than 3-4 platter drives. If this is a must, please make it removable and 1-2 drives at most; 4tb drives exist and are quite cheap, if you must have a platter drive upsize your hardware in order to not need 3-5x HDDs. If you are unwilling then this is probably not the case for you.

Design and premium materials is a huge plus for me and I d spend more for this. I hate that the Nanoxia and Arc Midi are so damn heavy. Aluminum is so undervalued and I love the weight savings. Size is one thing, but the case being a freaking tank sucks too. It is a dream picking up my buddies A05 and it is fairly large.
post #328 of 1303
Skip all 5.25" and 3,5" stuff. This is a dirty sketchup of my future scratchbuild, note that front fans are 140 mm. SFX psu.



Compared to prodigy



Just need a couple of hours with proper cad-software and a good mill.
post #329 of 1303
Quote:
Originally Posted by CorsairGeorge View Post

Any Corsair case will measure pros and cons - but I can tell you right now, our first Mini ITX won't be targeted at the ultra SFF crowd. There just aren't enough sales there, especially in the "enthusiast" market we cater to. So if you want a Mac Mini sized box with an external power brick, please don't wait for us, and go ahead and shop around for other brands because that's not the direction we're going.

I don't think anyone here is advocating a corsair branded ISK110 biggrin.gif in fact i don't think anyone here is expecting anything less then a 7970/titan sized GPU for a corsair ITX case biggrin.gif however do realize that there is a fairly good portion of the ITX market that is occupied by the "LAN party" box which demand reasonable size and more importantly structural integrity for a portable chassis. if footprint is a large concern, I would go back to my earlier suggestion of a 90 degree rotated mobo mount with a triple slot riser card to accommodate the GPU in this orientation



the chassis would stand vertical with the IO ports at the top of the case similar to that of the FT03. I stand by my recommendation of the "bolt on" kits for additional "functionality" such as 5.25 bay or accommodation for radiator. this way the modders can pick and choose what they actually want with their case rather then being handed an all in one that they wont be satisfied with.
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Originally Posted by strd View Post

Skip all 5.25" and 3,5" stuff. This is a dirty sketchup of my future scratchbuild, note that front fans are 140 mm. SFX psu.



Compared to prodigy



Just need a couple of hours with proper cad-software and a good mill.

nice design , i would assume this is a rough idea but :

the motherboard , somehow , is bolted to the right panel ? , it needs to have a motherboard tray of some sort , doing this , you could have a backspace bewteen the mobo tray and the door , so you could sneak cables better than leaving them in the front in a knot or somethin lol

it still needs some sort of feets biggrin.gif

and at least a place to put 2 storage units , a SSD and a HDD would be enough i guess smile.gif

IF its only focus is Air Cooling , i could make it even smaller smile.gif
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