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I am wanting to add a wide angle lens to my collection. I am on the fence about which lens to pickup. Originally I was going to get the 16-35 f/2.8L II. However, I have been toying with the idea of getting the Tokina 16-28 f/2.8. I realize that I am somewhat hamstrung by my camera, but I will be eventually going with a full frame (hopefully a 5d mk iii). So I don't want to deal with any of the crop-format specific lenses. I have a couple of other L lenses and the quality is astounding, so I am hesitant to stray away. The reviews on the Tokina look good and the price difference is substantial. Does anyone have some first-hand comparison experience between these two? Is there another choice that I should be looking at?
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It really depends on a few things in reality - primarily, your budget, and how certain you are that you're going to upgrade to full frame. The latter is the less important -- if you find yourself needing a wider lens, it's not worth it to wait until you buy a new camera, even if that new camera has the potential to not be compatible with the lens you buy (if you buy used, you can resell for about the same price once you switch to full frame, for example, and effectively end up with a relatively cheaply rented wide angle solution).

Firstly, you aren't exactly 'handcuffed' by your 7D. You can get a great wide angle lens like a 10-22 f/2.8, but if you're sure you're going to be upgrading (wish I had known about this, I would have cut you a sweet deal on my 5D2), then as you mentioned, you'll want to get into something that's suitable for full frame, etc.

I don't personally have experience with the Tokina 16-28, but I do hear about quite a few people buying/selling them and know of a few people that have owned it and said some pretty good stuff about it. That said, I have to agree with you that the build quality of Canon L glass is usually pretty superior.

I don't know how you feel about purchasing used gear, etc, but KEH has a couple in stock at the moment - used for $1269.99 in Ex+ (which will basically be like new), but also they have some EX+/LN Ver. 1 copies of the lens for much less (closer to $1070). That might be something to consider, given that the price of the Tokina BNIB is ~$850 from what I can see.
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I like having Canon lenses personally. Yes, they're more expensive, but the companies that offer the same spec'd lens for a bit cheaper has got to be lacking on some feature that the Canon has.

I've had a standard sigma lens (55-250?), and while they're fine, I still like my Canon (55-250). Its a little heavier if I remember right, but I've never had problems with them at all.

Plus their resale value is much more. JMO.
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Resale value isn't really a fair argument on its own. If you have a quality lens it will retain a high percentage of its retail value. There are Canon lenses that don't retain their resale values. For example:

Canon 70-200 f/2.8L IS -- New $1999. Resale - anywhere from $1600 to $1900, usually closer to the $1800 mark. Effectively 90% resale.
Canon 70-200 f/2.8L (NON-IS): New: $1299. Resale - averages from $850-$1000. Effectively ~71% (if you use the mean $925/$1300).

The same is true for non-Canon lenses though..

Sigma 17-50 F/2.8L OS (IS): New: $619. Resale - $500-550. Effectively ~85% resale value.
Sigma 10-20 f/4-5.6: New: $479. Resale - $350. Effectively 73% resale.

New prices above are current from B&H as of today. Used prices are estimates based off of a pretty much daily presence in the used gear market over at POTN, FM, Craigslist, etc.

In essence, the resale argument really depends on the type of lens and not the make of the lens.
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the 16-35mk2 is a very very good lens, although i dont have any experience with the tokina 16-28, i would suspect it to be just as good as the canon because its a much shorter range making it easier to produce.

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Firstly, you aren't exactly 'handcuffed' by your 7D. You can get a great wide angle lens like a 10-22 f/2.8, but if you're sure you're going to be upgrading (wish I had known about this, I would have cut you a sweet deal on my 5D2), then as you mentioned, you'll want to get into something that's suitable for full frame, etc.

10-22/2.8? where did you get one of those?
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Herp a derp, meant the 17-55 f/2.8... which then brings in the Sigma 17-50 at a reduced price.. but again, both are for crop cameras. On a crop, obviously the 10-22 f/3.5-4.5 would be wider, but I feel like the 17-55 or Sigma 17-50 are both better lenses in general.
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I like having Canon lenses personally. Yes, they're more expensive, but the companies that offer the same spec'd lens for a bit cheaper has got to be lacking on some feature that the Canon has.

it depends on what you are comparing because obviously a sigma 30 f1.4 is not going to compare to a canon 35 f1.4L that cost 3X more money when the rokinon 35 f1.4 blows both out of the water in terms of bang for your buck. that argument barely applies unless you are strictly comparing focal length and aperture and not taking real world performance into consideration wink.gif
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What sort of applications do you plan to use a wide angle lens for?

The 16-35 II is what I would consider a specialized lens. Its actually very large. It has an 82mm filter which is just huge. Once you add the hood on it (which you have to due to the coverage) it does not make for a compact setup.

Also, its ultra-wide at the wide end. 16mm on a FF is obscenely wide. Doing such wide-angle photography is challenging because of how much you end up getting into the shot. I've recently found it useful for photographing a home renovation (get a nice wide view in a cramped space for example), but beyond that, its a bit of a niche shooting application.

When I think wide angle I think something around 24mm. If you plan to walk around or do low-light shooting, I would strongly suggest you consider a fast wide prime such as the 35mm f2 or some of the 24mm variants. As time goes on I almost exclusively shoot with primes. I find that it make you think more about "where to stand" and you just can't match the quality per $ and compactness.

In any case, if you could provide some expected applications, we may be able to guide you a bit better.
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Thanks for the replies, I have a little more to think about. As far as what I am looking for in a lens, I want to be able to get a little closer to my shot. The 24 end of my primary "walking-around" lens isn't bad, but not quite enough. There have been several landscape type shots that I just could not frame up the way I wanted. There have been some interior architecture shots that have been impossible. With an outdoor shot, moving back is usually an option, but inside you can run out of room pretty quickly. I am wanting do a series of shots in some churches, and I feel that the 24-70 just won't cut it. I *can* afford the Canon 16-35 f/2.8L, but if the Tokina is just as good it seems wasteful for a bit of red plastic at the end of the lens housing.
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You could always put that money that you were going to put into the glass into a nice used 5D2 and make your 24-70 actually become a 24-70... thumb.gif

Just kidding... good to see people realize that a red piece of plastic at the end of the barrel does not automatically make a lens rule.
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