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Petey - Yes it will be fine, I shipped my PC via ocean freight when moving to Hawaii and it spent 2 months turned off, inside a crate and there was no effect.

About CLU hardening -

I call bull**** on the guy who "used it in his laptop and it dried out". CLU does not harden, does not dry, does not degrade over time unless you leave it sitting exposed directly to air. If your CLU is hardening in your laptop I have news for you:

YOUR COOLER IS NOT MAKING GOOD CONTACT WITH YOUR CPU.

It is not CLU that is the problem, it is the mount quality, likely due to an over large tolerance between the cooler and the CPU. No shocker that MX-4 or w/e paste you put in performed better, it actually touched both the CPU and Heatsink.

Perfect example of why reviews on retail websites should be taken with a grain of salt, and the 1 star/no star and 5 star/10 rating answeres should generally be ignored unless they are the overwhelming majority of reviews submitted.


CLU 3 years on-

I installed CLU first in early 2012, I demounted/remounted my block probably 10 times in the first month of that build as I was tweaking my loop. I never once added more CLU, just re-spread using the brush each time. The final time after I was done with the loop it stayed mounted for just over two years! I bought a new CPU block after that, and removed the old one. Again I resperead what was on the IHS and used it just fine with awesome temps.

Later I swapped to a full Mono block for my R4BE, making my Supremacy EVO useless. After removing it, it took about 15 seconds to remove with an alchohol wipe... easy as pie, actually easier than paste since it doesn't stick to everything. I tried using CLU with my mono-block, but the gap is too large for liquid metal tim. I found this out after installing it all and seeing very high CPU temps. After I pulled the mono-block guess what... some small dry spots because the block most mostly hovering a fraction of a mm above the TIM, clear by the lack of CLU on the block except in a few spots the size of grains of sand.

Used HeGrease because I needed something that could bridge the tiny gap between the block and the IHS, now 3960X @ 4.8/1.456 vcore, in 27c ambient temps : Prime 95 Small FFTs for 30 minutes - 59c average core temp, CPU Package temp - 51c. I imagine if EK was not full of monkeys and I could actually use CLU, I might be able to hold the monster heating processor to 55c full load and the package under 50c!

I reckon lapping, CLU, proper mount after modding the monoblock standoffs I could get under 50c on the cores, but why, 55c is already low as hell for a 3960x @ 1.45 volts.
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found something out as well, You don't suppose that guy with the laptop didn't cleaned his processor very well after using Anti-seize, which is aluminum based To prevent bolt threads from corroding together. When I purchased CLU-Ultra picked up some xtream clean,
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/13256/thr-106/Indigo_Xtreme_Clean_Non-Conductive_Thermal_Surface_Cleaner_-_30mL_XC-01.html?tl=g8c123s1486
Used alcohol like normal, big wal-mart jug isopropyl, and q-tip to clean cpu, AS5 appears to be completely removed, as normal like I've done over the years.
OK now try xtream clean to see if its just some smoke up the azz snake oil, I spent Like 5-10 minutes still pulling AS5 off the processor, even after using the forever utilized isopropyl alcohol. Couldn't believe it, I actually bought something that wasn't snake oil, it works better than alcohol for real.
Ok point I don't know the chemical makeup of everyone's thermal paste, but if the thermal paste contains aluminum and its cleaned by only alcohol, there is residue remaining, and could cause a problem with CLU or gallium. For instance (NOT FACT) AS5 is 4% aluminum bi product, and effect could be bad if not properly cleaned.
Like the guy with the laptop and the anti-seize, that for sure has aluminum in its biology not good with CLU


The reason I bought the xtream clean was figured cause it removes the indigo xtream sheet, unknown thermal paste deserves a unknown cleaning solvent.
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I suspect that, poor installation, faulty tube of product (it happens), or mis-manufactured cooler. Years into using CLU, I can tell you after 4 tubes on various GPUs etc, it does not harden if done right. CLP on the other hand....
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The way I understand it, heat helps to break cpu loose. Don't know if adhesion is created by aluminum residue, from a alcohol clean? Does CLU create a bond with aluminum or just erode it? some die / waterblock fusion of metals.
another question, if you leave old clu-ultra on after removing block, do you get better results if you add more hoping to seal any gap between lid and waterblock. Is there a amount on a processor not to exceed to prevent seeping over cpu.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Petey View Post

Does CLU create a bond with aluminum or just erode it?

It's not just sticking to aluminium. It can basically dissolve into the aluminium and will then be inside the metal block, turning it into a very brittle alloy.

Go to Youtube and search for "gallium aluminium". Those videos are too extreme because of the amount used, but still... tongue.gif
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Wow if you add gallium to sulfuric acid (battery acid) you can fuel your own Hindenburg blimp. Please no smoking, but going green is ok.
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Anyone have any feedback about this question?

http://www.overclock.net/t/1553399/protecting-steel-screws-from-gallium

Basically, I'm wondering if it's possible to protect steel screws on the edges from infiltration by gallium.
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I am heading into Subzero temps soon on a 4790k... having an issue finding the thermal range of liquid pro. Can anyone find it, so I can figure out if I should delid and use this or if SubZero will cause issues.

After 2 hours of searching, I found it: "The manufacturer promises thermal conductivity of 82 W/(m·K). Liquid pro should remain fully functional at operational temperatures between -273°C and +1200°C." Looks like -50c won't hurt this stuff :-D
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