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I've been on this site almost every day for more than two years now but I've been out of the loop with the Intel CPU/motherboard department because it's such a headache to deal with.

I know which cpus belong to which family (3960X SB-E, 2600k SB, 3770K Ivy), but I'm so clueless when it comes to platforms and sockets and chipsets and why Intel keeps screwing around with this and putting so many out there and in such seemingly random ways.

From my end, Intel and motherboard manufacturers release so many different types of motherboards, sockets, chipsets, and each has their own minuses that it becomes confusing on what to buy.

Can you guys help me? I'm looking to upgrade my system but I don't know what to get. I'll wait 4 or 5 months for Haswell but I have no clue what to get.

I want the latest tech with a ton of space, lots of hard drive support (what's the max amount of SATA ports these days?), PCIe 3.0, and on a platform that has a decent lifespan.

What should someone do if they want a high end rig in 4-5 months?

Please clue me in smile.gif
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for intel, right now for socket 1155 (( sandy bridge 2 and ivy bridge not sandy bridge 1 aka socket 1156 )) would be z77

but if you want to stay ahead of the game you'd probably shoot for a x79 and say a 3960k or something.

I want the latest tech with a ton of space, lots of hard drive support (what's the max amount of SATA ports these days?), PCIe 3.0, and on a platform that has a decent lifespan.

best bet would be to go with haswell, should have more sata ports on the new boards smile.gif

I can't tell you what to buy yet since it doesn't exist yet but,

right now at this time, z77 would be your best bet HOWEVER

if you need insane heavy cpu work, go for a SBE K series or 3960X

heres the educational part:

P67 - unlocking core enabled
H67 - IGPU unlocking enabled only, no core unlocks aka media purposes
H61 - no igpu unlocking nor core unlocking
z68 - improved p67 with i dunno, more stuff? better than p67 though
z77 - most updated recent chipset with pci-3 and thunderbolt. (( only on some boards ))

x79 - well you know, high end enthusiast who have... high demands for power lol. Most common for quad gpu setups.
has quad channel ram I believe.
Edited by kyismaster - 1/21/13 at 11:07pm
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yeah at a huge premium though with x79 and the extreme processors, 3930k would suffice for the money better
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in honesty I'd vote a 2700k sandy over a 3770k ivy because of heat problems of the TIM on the IVY IHS

yeah yeah, don't start a flame war, you guys know its true.

heres my order

3960X > 3930k > 2700k > 3770k > 2500k.



though z77 is more up to date than x79 lol and will have more features.

2700k works on z77's cause its still socket 1155

but ivy doesn't work on some p67/z68's/h61/h67
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z77 - most updated recent chipset with pci-3 and thunderbolt. (( only on some boards ))

x79 - well you know, high end enthusiast who have... high demands for power lol. Most common for quad gpu setups.
has quad channel ram I believe.

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though z77 is more up to date than x79 lol and will have more features.


See, this is my exact problem and frustration. X79 is for high end enthusiasts yet Z77 has more features and is up to date.

Why don't those @$#@$%%@%%@ just put everything that's good into one board? Why can't they make it simple? mad.gif

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in honesty I'd vote a 2700k sandy over a 3770k ivy because of heat problems of the TIM on the IVY IHS

yeah yeah, don't start a flame war, you guys know its true.

heres my order

3960X > 3930k > 2700k > 3770k > 2500k.



though z77 is more up to date than x79 lol and will have more features.

2700k works on z77's cause its still socket 1155

but ivy doesn't work on some p67/z68's/h61/h67

No flame wars here lol, I'm very well aware of the heat issues so I took that matter into my own hands and have the best temps I've every seen an i7 have. thumb.gif

Also correct me if I'm wrong (just curious mainly) I've heard that the 2700K is sometimes compatable to the Z77 chipset partly due to bios updates that are needed on mobo's. Tell me if I'm wrong! biggrin.gif
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See, this is my exact problem and frustration. X79 is for high end enthusiasts yet Z77 has more features and is up to date.

Why don't those @$#@$%%@%%@ just put everything that's good into one board? Why can't they make it simple? mad.gif

redface.gif

Even with Ivy Bridges heat issues we have a resolve for this issue and it works amazingly. Z77 right now has such crazy speeds and all the perfection of the latest GPU's and the use of PCI 3.0 also allowing for huge storage arrangements. I once though a while back just like you did and was considering the X79 platform and the crazy speeds it was having. I took a dive into the new Z77 platform and I couldn't be happier with it.

Now we all must keep Haswell the new 1150 Socket in mind as well It's due to release sometime this year but no idea when. it should have a 10% area of performance gain over Ivy Bridge so it's really up to you sir. Try to take that dive when it's the newest thing.... or Keep trying to find new items in the current latest technology. The choice is more up to you, not us, we can only provide guidance and our personal opinions and feelings on our experiences.

But...

If I could choose all over again, I wouldn't hesitate to pick Ivy Bridge again due to the pure amounts of abuse Ivy can take. I can prove that with my currently dead chip that I used to find Ivy's stability and vcore limits and find what should really be watched for it. went all the way to 1.98 vcore, didn't die, again it didn't die. (although it did eventually after I decided to keep cranking it till I noticed the chip was degrading from the crazy high vcores over 2 months of benching) I benched it at that vcore as well, wanna know how I did this? I did it all with an H100 and a lot of time and effort to make my chip happy. I delidded it resolving the heat issues which isn't from the TIM but the spacing of the IHS to the die.

so in short (after all the rambling sorry about that) I am very pleased with Z77 and the Ivy Bridge family.

The choice is still your though, don't forget that, and by all means have fun with your build! One doesn't get to do it very often! thumb.gif

Truly,
Valgaur
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See, this is my exact problem and frustration. X79 is for high end enthusiasts yet Z77 has more features and is up to date.

Why don't those @$#@$%%@%%@ just put everything that's good into one board? Why can't they make it simple? mad.gif

redface.gif

you are aware that ivy bridge is an update of sandybridge right?

z77 have ivy bridge architechture, x79 have sandy bridge, there will be an ivybridge x79 (x89) but it's not out yet.

sandybridge and ivybridge is basically the same, the only difference is that ivybridge have pcie 3.0, but x79 have lots of pcie bus so that doesn't really matter.
ivybridge also have a 30 percent better integrated gpu, but that also doesn't matter because x79 doesn't have igpu.

there will basically no difference between ivy bridge x79 and sandy bridge x79, the only reason why people are waiting for it is because there will be more cores
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for intel, right now for socket 1155 (( sandy bridge 2 and ivy bridge not sandy bridge 1 aka socket 1156 )) would be z77
no. sandy bridge is core i3/i5/i7 second gen and ivy bridge is core i3/i5/i7 3rd gen. theres no sb 1 and 2 unless you also consider gulftown(which was socket 1366) a sandy bridge
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Hahahaa... I struck with my old classic PC for 5 years. I was too busy working hardly touch it. Two year ago I build another PC and I had the same headache like you. Just pick the best PC parts that fit your bill and enjoy it. Save some small toys for a big toy. Any other part you don't need it yet then don't buy it. I just added my SSD three months ago on Oct 2012. I added a gaming video card on Dec 2012. May I will add CPU cooler in this coming summer if i can find one i really like. Anyway good luck on your new PC. Start with CPU, Motherboard, RAM, then SSD
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no. sandy bridge is core i3/i5/i7 second gen and ivy bridge is core i3/i5/i7 3rd gen. theres no sb 1 and 2 unless you also consider gulftown(which was socket 1366) a sandy bridge

gen 1 , gen 2, and now ivy gen3
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