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Originally Posted by Brutuz View Post

Actually, it's plateaued, tablets will never take PCs out in many areas and most users like having a laptop or desktop for more serious stuff that everyone has to do.
Everyone's doing mobile because the desktop has become stale, it's not dead or dying or anything but the improvements to mobile are more noticeable. (The average Joe user won't even feel the difference between the lowest end Celeron IvB CPU and an 8 core SB-E)
Yeah...No.

Anyone who says that the Bulldozer architecture is bad like the Pentium 4 clearly was not really around for the time the Pentium 4 was, or doesn't remember it well...It literally lost at everything except niche uses like the first Bulldozer CPUs, Piledriver (ie. Bulldozer with a few small tweaks for the FX-8350) shows us that the BD architecture is workable and will improve over time, Steamroller looks to make it even better, a Phenom III wouldn't touch Intel because while it'd have closer IPC it'd probably struggle to get past 4.4Ghz or so even on 32nm. (Llano was 32nm and only got to 3.5Ghz average, Trinity gets about 200-300Mhz lower than BD on average...so yeah...)

Unless of course, you know a lot about CPU architectures and want to tell me why it's bad? I know my knowledge is fairly rudimentary but above average for most OCNers.

Not anymore now that the situation is a little different, FX-4300/3.8ghz/95WTDP vs Trnity APU 2.0 / 4.1ghz CPU + GPU/100W TDP. biggrin.gif

http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Bulldozer/AMD-A10-Series%20A10-6800K.html

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I'm pretty sure I read an article on how the PC gaming industry made $18 billion dollars in 2011, and the Hardware sales were around $23 billion. So there is plenty of money in PC. We will find out the 2012 figures very soon I believe. If anyone is serious about any aspect of computing, then the PC is the platform. Tablets are for light stuff and a bit of fun, imo.

http://uk.ign.com/articles/2012/03/06/report-record-pc-games-sales-in-2011

2 page article also here
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Like what? The only thing that tablets should do easier that desktops/laptops do better is data entry. Obviously they don't have the size required to hold the hardware to do high level gaming or heavy compilation, but that is a very very small niche in the grand scheme of the PC market. Even the compilation part can be solved by offloading heavy processing to servers.

I think you are right about PC sales more or less evening out. My guess without seeing the sales numbers breakdown is that business orders is what is keeping the PC sales from being horrendous. That will not change in the near future even if tablets become very easy for businesses to use. A lot of businesses still run COBOL even though you have to throw in your left nut to pay for the licensing costs of mainframes these days. That unwillingness to change will save PC sales for a number of years going forward.

I'm pretty sure I read an article on how the PC gaming industry made $18 billion dollars in 2011, and the Hardware sales were around $23 billion. So there is plenty of money in PC. We will find out the 2012 figures very soon I believe. If anyone is serious about any aspect of computing then PC is the platform to own. Tablets are for light stuff and a bit of fun, imo.

http://uk.ign.com/articles/2012/03/06/report-record-pc-games-sales-in-2011

2 page article also here

I think steam is pure gold, along with greenmangaming.

You are also right about the business sector, it will always need a PC.
post #44 of 105
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how did AMD get all 3 next gen console contracts? Did Nvidia simply not want anything to do with consoles and opt out?

Nvidia really knows how to piss people off, and charges more to do it.
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Consoles rule the gaming market, so it would make sense to focus your efforts there.

Of late, people are moving back to PCs from consoles or buying a gaming PC for the first time. Don't get me wrong, I love my 360, but I won't ever confuse it with a proper gaming PC.
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How do you turn your assumption into facts? whistle.gif

LOL

Ok,

AMD's APU's are better at graphics than Intel's IGP's = FACT

NVidia do not have any x86 licence, nor a n x86 CPU with a GPU on the same die = FACT

Board space on consoles and any micro-architecture is extremely valuable = FACT

Having to manage the heat from one chip instead of two is very appealing = FACT

Therefore it' quite safe to assume that NVidia weren't even in the running. Nintendo, Microsoft and Sony won't have even considered an NVidia setup.
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Microsoft was already in the bag anyway, because the 360 uses a downclocked X750 chip for graphics.
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Microsoft was already in the bag anyway, because the 360 uses a downclocked X750 chip for graphics.

The gpu from nvidia in the ps3 is worse than the one in the xbox. Thats why Nvidia has no contracts with consoles this time around.
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LOL

Ok,

AMD's APU's are better at graphics than Intel's IGP's = FACT

NVidia do not have any x86 licence, nor a n x86 CPU with a GPU on the same die = FACT

Board space on consoles and any micro-architecture is extremely valuable = FACT

Having to manage the heat from one chip instead of two is very appealing = FACT

Therefore it' quite safe to assume that NVidia weren't even in the running. Nintendo, Microsoft and Sony won't have even considered an NVidia setup.

Nvidia has tegra....

Its not safe to assume anything. They lost out when they put crap in the ps3.

Thats why they have no consoles. Not your made up assuption.
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Why do they insist that the whole smartphone/tablet craze is going to last indefinitely? Phones/tablets won't ever replace pcs so I don't get why they want to shift focus?

headscratch.gif:

This!

I have to laugh when I hear people always saying "The desktop is dead. Very soon™ people will just have a tablet and/or smart phone and that's it." The reality is, people will buy BOTH.
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The gpu from nvidia in the ps3 is worse than the one in the xbox. Thats why Nvidia has no contracts with consoles this time around.
Nvidia has tegra....

Its not safe to assume anything. They lost out when they put crap in the ps3.

Thats why they have no consoles. Not your made up assuption.

Tegra is an ARM chip. It wouldn't have even counted. They don't have an x86 license to my knowledge and no gaming company is going to want to code for ARM and x86.
 
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