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With the IPAD 2 at $350 new I cannot see it. For what i suspect most people do with their tablet, surf the web, the IPAD is the value leader (that was crazy to say). Next news will be more low sales for Microsoft and their Surface. $900 I mean WF Heck are they smoking?

As far as running windows and .exe with an Ipad just get one of several apps that let you run your PC from the Ipad.


I know.. this drives me crazy to say that APPLE is winning the price competition here. Sure the PRO Is more functional in many ways. However most people besides us will never use those functions and the profit is in the numbers x margin not the margin itself.
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I really liked the Surface RT at the store. This thing would be amazing. Too bad about the price though...

The price kills it for me 899 + 120 for the keyboard. I can buy an ultra book for that.
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Is this a joke? The ipad isn't x86 compatible and is far less versatile than the surface pro. The surface pro has full x86 compatibility and ultrabook functionality, and does much more than a tablet does rolleyes.gif If you want an ipad get an ipad. The surface pro is a full PC in a tablet form factor, but if you can't think out of the box and realize that some people use their devices for MORE than web browsing and media consumption, I feel bad for you.

Except refer to my second comment on this post. Profits =/= margins alone profits = number of sales x margin. Apple is going to kill them. 350 x 25 million (what apple predicts they sell in any given quarter of ipad sales) = A HECK of a lot more than 500,000 x 899

Its simple math and economics. Obviously Microsoft didn't get the memo.





This aside. Microsoft failed to take the advice of many people and myself. RT needed to be 250 Pro needed to be 500. They needed to pursue the same strategy as they did entering the console market. When entering a market unfashionably late you need to take a loss to enter the market and gain market share. THEN you can make profit after you've gained entry. As much as I hate APPLE and despise Android tablets especially the fact they offer almost no x86 functionality, they are going to slaughter Microsoft. That's not good for us as consumers.
 
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I know.. this drives me crazy to say that APPLE is winning the price competition here. Sure the PRO Is more functional in many ways. However most people besides us will never use those functions and the profit is in the numbers x margin not the margin itself.
The price kills it for me 899 + 120 for the keyboard. I can buy an ultra book for that.
Except refer to my second comment on this post. Profits =/= margins alone profits = number of sales x margin. Apple is going to kill them. 350 x 25 million (what apple predicts they sell in any given quarter of ipad sales) = A HECK of a lot more than 500,000 x 899

Its simple math and economics. Obviously Microsoft didn't get the memo.





This aside. Microsoft failed to take the advice of many people and myself. RT needed to be 250 Pro needed to be 500. They needed to pursue the same strategy as they did entering the console market. When entering a market unfashionably late you need to take a loss to enter the market and gain market share. THEN you can make profit after you've gained entry. As much as I hate APPLE and despise Android tablets especially the fact they offer almost no x86 functionality, they are going to slaughter Microsoft. That's not good for us as consumers.

Just curios.

How would they make the loss up? On the 360 they had Xbox Live monthly fee wich negated the loss.

What could they have or do for the Surface that would gain the loss back?
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This aside. Microsoft failed to take the advice of many people and myself. RT needed to be 250 Pro needed to be 500. They needed to pursue the same strategy as they did entering the console market. When entering a market unfashionably late you need to take a loss to enter the market and gain market share. THEN you can make profit after you've gained entry. As much as I hate APPLE and despise Android tablets especially the fact they offer almost no x86 functionality, they are going to slaughter Microsoft. That's not good for us as consumers.

The competetor to the surface pro is not the ipad. The best comparison is the macbook air, to which I think the surface pro is superior in many aspects. Its pretty hilarious when you say "I realize that the surface pro is more functional" and then you finish your argument with something to the effects of "but I dont need those functions". Really dude? If you just want to browse the web get a tablet or use the smartphone.Tablets like the ipad fill a niche, and this is meant for something different - someone who wants an ultrabook in a different form factor. IT IS an ultrabook. Personally I plan on using surface pro for doing all of my powerpoints and productivity on while travelling, and heck I can get a game of diablo 3 in now and then when I want - the surface pro is more versatile than the ipad.

Again. The surface pro IS NOT meant to compete with ipad. It IS an ultrabook in a tablet form factor. If you want an ipad get an ipad; I view the ipad as a fun device for media consumption but it is horrible for productivity that I require. The nearest comparison to the surface pro is the macbook air which happens to be more expensive.

As far as the RT goes, I won't disagree that MS made a mistake there. Windows RT causes too much confusion and there isn't enough application support just yet - I feel the surface pro will be a great product, however.
Edited by xoleras - 1/24/13 at 11:29am
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There really isn't a competitor to the Surface TBH. What Microsoft is doing, unlike the past where they kept releasing products late to the market, is trying to be a step ahead this time. It's evident the line between phones, tablets and full fledged PC's is blurring thus Microsoft is taking the steps to integrate all the platforms as one. It's pretty rough right now though so hopefully they can polish it up with the next release (of the OS).
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I think Windows 8 RT will be better down the road when it gets more support. Personally I'd rather have the regular Surface because I don't have a need for the full Win8 OS on my tablet but I think its awesome that MS is offering the option to run basically a full PC in a tablet form factor....
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got the yoga 13 b/c i couldn't wait longer for the surface pro, but i have no regrets because this thing is amazing
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I think Windows 8 RT will be better down the road when it gets more support. Personally I'd rather have the regular Surface because I don't have a need for the full Win8 OS on my tablet but I think its awesome that MS is offering the option to run basically a full PC in a tablet form factor....

Yeah, RT has potential. The only bad thing is people instantly identify "Windows" with x86 software so it has surely caused confusion in the market, but the idea itself isn't bad - microsoft could definitely develop it into something great with some work. As it stands now, i'd have a hard time justifying it over similarly priced tablets...just IMO though. The potential with RT is there but MS needs to work on it.

The surface pro on the other hand, I feel will be great from the get-go. As far as any enterprise with BYOD goes, it's going to be an awesome work machine on the go.
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What tablet would you recommend over the Surface RT at that price Xoleras? I have a Touchpad (was one of the lucky ones to get a couple so mine was free after selling the other) but the OS is basically dead and I'm looking to get something else so I can give it to my little girl to play with.
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Isn't the Surface RT still 499$? As much as I loathe apple these days because of their legal antics, I have to say they have a very compelling product with the ipad and ipad mini. I got brother one for xmas, that way I don't have to be tech support when he has computer issues (he only does rudimentary browsing and such) wink.gif Of course ipad has a lot of media consumption stuff via itunes, which is overpriced but is good quality.

Other than that, the nexus 7 is an awesome awesome tablet. I don't think anything comes close to it at the 200$ price point, that's absolutely the first tablet I would look at if you're looking for a value product.

Did you get a surface RT? I think it's a good idea, I just want MS to flesh it out a bit more.
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What tablet would you recommend over the Surface RT at that price Xoleras? I have a Touchpad (was one of the lucky ones to get a couple so mine was free after selling the other) but the OS is basically dead and I'm looking to get something else so I can give it to my little girl to play with.

The Nexus 10, depending on your budget, would be a good addition.
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