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I'm seriously considering buying one of these to replace my CM hyper 212 EVO that has two cougar vortex 120mm's.

But first I want to pose a few questions.

First: On my current setup I was able to hit 4ghz with very cold ambient temps. Anything above that and I was cooking (65C+) So, will a phanteks be enough of a difference to make it worth my time and money? What kind of temp difference could I possibly expect? Should I stick with the Hyper?

Second: I have a sabertooth 990fx and 2x4GB of Corsair Vengeance RAM with massive heatsinks sitting in slots 2 and 4 (respective to the CPU socket). I want to keep the heatsinks; so I was wondering if I would be able to mount the fans this way: one fan in the middle of the cooling towers and one on the back towards the exhaust fan of the case. If this were possible would it effect the cooling power of the heat sink? (vs being on the front)

Finally: There is a lot of talk about these fans and their PWM capability. I see that they are shipping with the PWM adapters now. Do those really work? I plan on using the Y-splitter and the PWM adapter to plug it into just one 4-pin on my board. Possible? Recommended? Any other concerns/suggestions for that set-up?

Thanks a ton.
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Lots of questions.
Here I go.
Yes, the Phanteks PH-TC14PE will make a big difference in performance at 4GHz overclocks and especially higher overclocks. I'm talking like 10C differences or more (the TC14PE performance around 10C better than the Hyper 612, so with the 212, I assume it will be a bit more than that).

Second. I don't think that its the fan's placement, its that the dual tower heatsinks are so massive that they are going to interfere with the ram heatsinks before fans do. So most likely you're going to have to get shorter ram or take off the heatsinks.

Lastly: The PH-TC14PE does ship with the PWM adapters, low noise, y splitter, i believe an extension too. It is possible, I don't see how else you could do it. No concern, but someone might pick up on something that I didn't.

EDIT:
I got the information from TTL's review
http://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/cases_cooling/phanteks_ph-tc14pe_review/1
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Thanks for the info.
I'm also considering this BEAST.
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Thanks for the info.
I'm also considering this BEAST.

Something that I read was (not 100% sure) that the SA and SA-E suffer when the clocks go past 4.6GHz or something.
But it is a BEAST and probably the best air cooler.
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I really don't know why you've had such problems with the Hyper 212 Evo; I've got 4ghz at under 55 degrees all the time, and its burning down under right now.

If you are going for a new upgrade, the PH-TC14PE is the highest-end air cooler I would recommend. Otherwise, the price is too much considering you could get better performance from a water cooler that is at the same price point (you could spend 14 more dollars than the silver arrow and get this). It gets a bit sticky at this end of the spectrum because there is only so much performance a consumer cooling solution can get you. Really, unless you want to do something crazy like this, custom loops are the final frontier.

Also, remember to pick up a tube of good thermal paste; it really makes a difference! I use AS5, but MX-4 is good too.
Edited by Tagkaman - 1/23/13 at 8:22pm
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I really don't know why you've had such problems with the Hyper 212 Evo; I've got 4ghz at under 55 degrees all the time, and its burning down under right now.

If you are going for a new upgrade, the PH-TC14PE is the highest-end air cooler I would recommend. Otherwise, the price is too much considering you could get better performance from a water cooler that is at the same price point (you could spend 14 more dollars than the silver arrow and get this). It gets a bit sticky at this end of the spectrum because there is only so much performance a consumer cooling solution can get you. Really, unless you want to do something crazy like this, custom loops are the final frontier.

Also, remember to pick up a tube of good thermal paste; it really makes a difference! I use AS5, but MX-4 is good too.

Not sure why either. Probably because of the 'ol zambezi cooking hot by nature. wink.gif Either way I need a switch. I can't stop at 4.0ghz. (I barely got there anyways.)
I really had my heart set on the Phanteks, but after looking at specs and measuring my case and ram and the whole layout of my set up I decided to go with THIS. The silver arrow has a smaller footprint believe it or not. I would have had to cut the phanteks like THIS for it to fit with my vengeance. (I wasnt willing to pull off my RAM HS.)
I think that the SA will go better with the theme of my case anyways. (I have future plans for a mod-of-the-month type build.) I liked the idea and design of the phanteks, but in the end it looked a little cartoonish. I know its kind of foolish to judge a cooler by looks, but since these two are separated by a few degrees at worst when it comes to performance it wasnt too hard of a decision to switch.
I pulled the trigger and it'll be here friday.
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You'll sure be happy with that flagship! Your pretty lucky that you've got a largeish case, because that thing will go right up to the side panel of your case.
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You'll sure be happy with that flagship! Your pretty lucky that you've got a largeish case, because that thing will go right up to the side panel of your case.

Thank you good sir. I hope I enjoy it as much as I think I will.
PS. Enjoy that weather down under. It has been in the teens F* for weeks.
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Not sure why either. Probably because of the 'ol zambezi cooking hot by nature. wink.gif Either way I need a switch. I can't stop at 4.0ghz. (I barely got there anyways.)
I really had my heart set on the Phanteks, but after looking at specs and measuring my case and ram and the whole layout of my set up I decided to go with THIS. The silver arrow has a smaller footprint believe it or not. I would have had to cut the phanteks like THIS for it to fit with my vengeance. (I wasnt willing to pull off my RAM HS.)
I think that the SA will go better with the theme of my case anyways. (I have future plans for a mod-of-the-month type build.) I liked the idea and design of the phanteks, but in the end it looked a little cartoonish. I know its kind of foolish to judge a cooler by looks, but since these two are separated by a few degrees at worst when it comes to performance it wasnt too hard of a decision to switch.
I pulled the trigger and it'll be here friday.

love to hear how the Thermalright Silver Arrow SB-E Extreme Dual Fan Universal CPU Heatsink turned out. For my money I don't see why people spend $60 more (hyper 212 Evo vs Phanteks, etc) to get a 2 or 3% better overclock (3% is 4ghz vs 4.12ghz, ). CPU coolers have gotten to the point that cheap coolers like the 212 Evo is 99% as good as high end air or water cooling, there's no need to spend $100+ anymore, the difference is negligible and that $60 would be better spent on a better cpu or video card or larger SSD, etc IMHO
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love to hear how the Thermalright Silver Arrow SB-E Extreme Dual Fan Universal CPU Heatsink turned out. For my money I don't see why people spend $60 more (hyper 212 Evo vs Phanteks, etc) to get a 2 or 3% better overclock (3% is 4ghz vs 4.12ghz, ). CPU coolers have gotten to the point that cheap coolers like the 212 Evo is 99% as good as high end air or water cooling, there's no need to spend $100+ anymore, the difference is negligible and that $60 would be better spent on a better cpu or video card or larger SSD, etc IMHO

I found this chart interesting:
http://www.frostytech.com/articleview.cfm?articleid=2655&page=5

Puts the Hyper 212 Evo at 15.9 C above ambient temperatures with a 150 watt source (old hot cpus, like core extreme, pentium D, etc). Thermalright Silver Arrow was at 16.0 and Phanteks was at 14.4 but was 2 dBA louder than the Evo. Again this is worst case scenario, modern cpus should not reach 150w even when overclocked. At 85W the difference was less than one degree C between all the coolers.
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