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I'll look into that card. Thanks!
the xonar d1 is the dx but in pci format and not pci-e
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Yeah I noticed that. Getting the DX is the only option for me because the only PCI slot my MoBo has is covered up by my SLI video cards.
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I would sell your motherboard and get one that has better sound drivers. I have an ASUS z77 board and the sound drivers are great and have awesome capabilities. This option however involves selling your current rig and purchasing a new one which may be too much of a hassle.

Not one of the better ideas I have seen on this website. I think you are trying to advise a system upgrade and use the 120 budget to give him a bit of wiggle room. (And by the way OP, by the time you sell your mobo and CPU (which isn't difficult what so ever) you could totally afford a system upgrade. An i7 950 with a asus sabertooth board would be about 250 bucks shipped. With the 120 bucks from your sound card budget, you could afford a i5 3570K and a asrock extreme 4 z77 board.....so it is a possibility). The issue is that on board sucks no matter what board you get in comparison to a full blown sound card. Now if the OP was looking for more gaming performance, then your idea would actually be a decent one, but the OP was talking about a better surround sound experience. The amount of time that would be spent on a system upgrade would negate any benefit in terms of sound quality.

@Eagle: The Asus DX wouldn't be a bad card either. The creative sound card is slightly better for gaming, but more importantly, the drivers are much more stable. There have been plenty of people in the past few weeks alone that have had several issues with the asus sound cards. So while the DX is cheaper, I think in this case you are getting what you pay for with the creative sound for.

@OP: I actually did answer your question, but I answered it in such a way that I probably should have realized no one would have understood other than me so sorry about that.

When you say "surround sound performance".....well I really have no idea what you are referring to since that term really isn't used. I can sort of guess at what you mean, and I think what you meant is positioning. Meaning that the birds and foot steps will sound like the sound is localized to a much more precise area. Lets say a bird is behind you at EXACTLY the 5 oclock position in the game. With most sound solutions, the bird sounds like it might be coming from the 4:45 to about the 5:15 position. Well if it is a bird, it really doesn't matter (unless it is a bird that breaths fire or something), but if it is an enemies foot steps, you want to make sure that the sound is at exactly your 5 oclock position.

Now the creative sound cards are better at positioning, so when I answered your question, I answered it by saying the creative sound card had the better positioning. I am sorry for not explaining that.

HOWEVER, the second important factor in surround sound performance would be how much control you have over the sound coming out of your speakers. To be more specific, you might have your speakers positioned in weird places in your room. So lets pretend that your front right channel is further away from you than your left channel. With the right software, you can raise the volume of that channel to make it sound like it is closer to you. The software that comes with the creative sound card for controlling such factors is FAR superior to what asus offers. In fact asus software is pretty pathetic (please keep in mind though that asus is way better for music, so if you want to help other people on this website, please keep in mind that creative sound cards are not the "end all - be all" sound card).

So if you want to say surround sound performance, then yes, the creative is much better. thumb.gif
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@ Tjj226 Angel: Sorry. It seems there was a little miscommunication between us. When I said "surround sound performance", I meant that right now with my onboard chipset, surround sound effects (birds\enemies behind me\ambient environment noise, ect) playing on the back and center channel are quiet\underappreciated\not great (especially the nature sounds) and I really think it's because the ALC892 chipset has bad-quality surround sound. So I was wondering if a gaming sound card, one that's designed for surround sound, would pull out all the surround sound effects and make surround sound louder and clearer and make my games more immersive as a result.

I hope that makes sense. I probably should have explained that better before, so sorry again.

P.S. Although you're probably right, it's depressing to think that I spent $500 on my MoBo and CPU, and now I could probably get no more than $250 for it. I guess that's the way all computer stuff goes though. rolleyes.gif
Edited by Simek - 1/23/13 at 3:40pm
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@ Tjj226 Angel: Sorry. It seems there was a little miscommunication between us. When I said "surround sound performance", I meant that right now with my onboard chipset, surround sound effects (birds\enemies behind me\ambient environment noise, ect) playing on the back and center channel are quiet\underappreciated\not great (especially the nature sounds) and I really think it's because the ALC892 chipset has bad-quality surround sound. So I was wondering if a gaming sound card, one that's designed for surround sound, would pull out all the surround sound effects and make surround sound louder and clearer and make my games more immersive as a result.

I hope that makes sense. I probably should have explained that better before, so sorry again.

Ooooooooooooook now I get you.

Low sound is an amp issue meaning that you are not pushing enough electricity to your speakers and any given sound card worth it's salt should provide louder sound.

The ALC892 might not be bad either. I know you are not going to want to hear this, but your speakers are probably going to be the issue in the long run. There is such a thing as speaker efficiency where your speakers could simply be chewing up a bunch of electricity and not producing enough sound. Again, this is why I strongly urge you to go buy a cheap sound card to test out is because with these types of speakers, you can either buy a sound card and have it sound perfect, or buy a sound card and loose 100 bucks on absolute horrible sound.

Assuming you don't live in virginia (otherwise I could let you borrow some of my stuff), the smartest thing you can do is "rent" a sound card from best buy.
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I can tell you from personal experience that you will notice a difference between on-board and discrete sound cards with those speakers. The difference won't be as major as it would with a better speakers system, but it's still there. I'd suggest going with one of the cheaper Xonar cards for now unless you plan to upgrade your speakers soon.

For the record, I've used both the Realtek ALC892 and an Asus Xonar DS with the Logitech x-540's, and the sound and positioning are noticeably better with the Xonar.

With that said, there could still be an issue with your speakers, as others have already mentioned.
 
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@ Tjj226 Angel: I'm a bit impatient (as you've probably found out by now, heh) so after reading your post, I tried thinking of ways I could simply test my speakers one by one to see if they're balanced and loud enough without having to wait until tomorrow when the stores are open. Finally, after poking around in the control panel, I found this option called "Sound". Under there I found I could right-click on my speakers and select test, and it would play a sound on each speaker one by one. Man, that's the loudest I've ever heard my back speakers play a sound: they played the sound as loudly as the front channel did. Scared the crap out of me, TBH. Lol.
Edited by Simek - 1/23/13 at 4:09pm
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@ Mr. Mojo: Hmm. Do quieter surround sound effects like birds come through loudly and clearly for you on your x-540\ALC892 setup? Maybe it's actually the fault of the audio mixing of the games I'm playing? I don't know. Audio is a very abstract topic compared to other computer topics...
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@ Tjj226 Angel: I'm a bit impatient (as you've probably found out by now, heh) so after reading your post, I tried thinking of ways I could simply test my speakers one by one to see if they're balanced and loud enough without having to wait until tomorrow when the stores are open. Finally, after poking around in the control panel, I found this option called "Sound". Under there I found I could right-click on my speakers and select test, and it would play a sound on each speaker one by one. Man, that's the loudest I've ever heard my back speakers play a sound: they played the sound as loudly as the front channel did. Scared the crap out of me, TBH. Lol.

Huh........ that is bizarre.

Then I say go ahead and get that creative sound card. It should fix all of your problems and improve your audio experience.
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@ Mr. Mojo: Hmm. Do quieter surround sound effects like birds come through loudly and clearly for you on your x-540\ALC892 setup? Maybe it's actually the fault of the audio mixing of the games I'm playing? I don't know. Audio is a very abstract topic compared to other computer topics...

Have you checked the audio settings of the game to make sure everything is set on max?
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