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post #11 of 24

That is an awesome amp for the price, I would be temped to buy it from you if you were to sell it, but I haven't researched it at all. You could use the cheap speakers, but they will sound bad and yes, blow up if you turned it up too loud. Likely, you would never reach that volume.

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I do have a small room, and I'm using an old nikko nr-719 amp, no sound card with esm-4 speaker
Trust me, you don't need more then that, I can rock the whole 5 1/2 with no issue. A sub might be overkill in a small room. Of course you'll not getting your heart fealing as much bass, but I still get a very good sound quality (sound is warm).
I agree with tjj226 angel, stereo with or without a sub is probably the way to go for almost every one.
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Some of the people in here don't know what they are talking about, because that's a really solid amp for the price. As I said before, it's not ideal for headphone amping, but it'll do until you can get a dedicated headphone amp. You should take your friend's sub, but probably go ahead and get a pair of decent bookshelf speakers. The 10W he has are probably from an old box set and will sound awful.
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Thats a great amp a lot of people here don't know that. The only reason you should get rid of the amp is because you seem to only use headphones from what you said... If so its pointless to have that huge thing sitting there get a headphone amp if thats the case. If you do want to use speakers then I would keep it just don't use those crappy ones your friend has, this amp is made more for 8 ohm speakers, it can drive 4 ohm ones but it puts alot more stress on the amp and has a much higher chance of damaging it (Although it probably has protection against that its still not recommended) but with 10W 4 ohm speakers they'll hit the point where they blow the speakers before the amp will start to die.
I'd pick up some cheap maybe second hand bookshelf speakers around 30-70W go on a local listing site you could probably find some great speakers like a pair of Cerwins or JBL's or Klipsch cheap. I'm sure you've heard what good speakers are like but if not they will change the way you game, makes it much more immersive IMO... Also I'd use your sounds cards standard audio out, it would probably be slightly better or the same as your onboard optical because its made to process audio so its better at it otherwise upgrade to one with optical for the best sound, no need for special/expensive wires any optical will do as most are the same quality, just check monoprice like some others have said. Other than that nothing else to say tongue.gif Just buy some decent speaker wire, and if you buy speakers just make sure they are 8 ohms so you don't have to worry about damaging anything.
   
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The DAC & AMP's in that receiver are actually pretty good for driving speakers. For a 2.1 setup I would just run a optical cable from your motherboard to the receiver, that way the Receiver will handle all the DAC work and will sound vary nice. The receiver probably has options to turn off all non used AMPs as well, so no need to waste power on rear and center amps when your only using the front. It also probably has dual zone modes, can be useful if you wanna use it for your TV as well as your PC at the same time.

As for speakers go:
http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?partnumber=300-652
http://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-SP-BS21-LR-Watt-2-Way-Speakers/dp/B004MEWZE4/ref=sr_1_15?s=aht&ie=UTF8&qid=1358995647&sr=1-15&keywords=bookshelf+speaker
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882290268
All pretty good speakers, more to chose from these are just 3 decent ones in 3 different price ranges. Stay away from any small HTIB speaker or anything that doesnt match with ohms on your receiver. Your receiver can only go down to 6ohms for each speaker so watch out.

Edit: Also I have 4 B652's on my pc along with a SUB-800 and it works vary good for the most budget 4.1 system. They sound better louder then they do at lower levels but they don't disappoint ether way. The pioneers are a bit warmer then the B652's, which I like better and sometimes they will drop in sales to around 50-60 bucks witch is a pretty good buy. Other wise the Polk's will work great, I have the older Monitor 30's as rear speakers on my TV and they sound great. Sooner or later i'm getting a pair for my computer for the front. tongue.gif

Also for subs:
http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?partnumber=300-627
only if your size limited

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882290034
This one is a much much better deal.
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Some of the people in here don't know what they are talking about, because that's a really solid amp for the price. As I said before, it's not ideal for headphone amping, but it'll do until you can get a dedicated headphone amp. You should take your friend's sub, but probably go ahead and get a pair of decent bookshelf speakers. The 10W he has are probably from an old box set and will sound awful.

The only thing people don't get is what the difference between a receiver and an amp is tongue.gif

You end up paying a lot more for features you don't need and the amp/dac that denon did stuff in there is not as good as the audio engine d1, or even a DIY kit that uses a burr brown dac and decent op amps.
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The only thing people don't get is what the difference between a receiver and an amp is tongue.gif

You end up paying a lot more for features you don't need and the amp/dac that denon did stuff in there is not as good as the audio engine d1, or even a DIY kit that uses a burr brown dac and decent op amps.

I'm sorry but the DAC they toss into higher end Receivers are not low end at all, even on older ones. Really past a certain point your gonna need better speakers before you need a better DAC. Also Higher End receivers also tend to have nice AMPs as well, even though they are geared more toward home theater but even my Yamaha works great with my pc. Plus a higher end Receiver like that probably has a decent headphone AMP built right in. The Headphone amp in my htr-5640 sucks as after a certain level it just distorts bad. Thats why I use a FiiO E10, but my HTR-5063 on my TV sounds even better then my E10 (gets louder while still being cleaner). Great if you wants to use it for a headphone amp + speakers.

If the size is really a inconvenience you can try and down size. But those nice small stereo amps can get expensive... OP probably doesnt want to spend a load of money
That unit is feature packed enough for what he wanted to do, only thing I can have him seeing the problem with is the space the amp takes up. If you have the room it is no problem.
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Thanks for the feedback, + Reps to everyone that helped. thumb.gif I think for now I am going to keep the amp, although I forgot to mention I didn't get the remote, not that its a big deal, I could probably use one of my cheapo universal remotes or I will gab one off ebay. Besides if I do want to upgrade to something else I can always sell it. for now it should do.

on my list to do:

1. Get a Xonar DG with optical (or something better since my MB or Sound Card doesn't have a Optical out)
2. Get a Nice pair of 8ohm bookshelf speakers with a 8ohm sub.


Oh! forgot to mention, I went over to the friend and bought his speakers, there is 5 little black speakers and a sub, looks a lot like a set I had on my old computer, its from Cambridge Audio, I know they used to make pretty nice PC sound systems back in the day. So I opened it up and the speakers have quite some padding inside too!! biggrin.gif





However like the speakers the sub is also 4ohm, 20W.
I know plenty for a small room but probably cant be done since its 4ohms. But I wonder though, if I could wire them in series to change the impedance from 4 ohm to 8 ohm by the negative to the positive of the second speaker to make them work as 8 Ohm speakers a pair? They do feel like very nicely built and if I could get them to work then it could hold me off till I can come across a good local listing for a pair of bookshelf speakers. But I dont know, I cant risk damaging the amp unless I am absolutely sure what I'm doing and if its safe and it would work redface.gif

like described here: http://www.bcae1.com/spkrmlti.htm
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Series Connection:
We described series speaker connections on a previous page. This page will explain how the impedance changes when speakers are connected in series. In a series connection you simply connect the positive terminal of speaker 'A' to positive terminal of the amplifier. Then you connect the negative terminal of speaker 'A' to the positive terminal of speaker 'B'. Lastly connect the negative terminal of speaker 'B' to the negative terminal of the amplifier. If both of the speakers have an impedance of 4 ohms, the total impedance will be 8 ohms. In a series connection, you simply add the individual impedance. If there were three 4 ohm speakers in series, the total impedance will be 12 ohms.


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It can be done, but it would be better to use each separately as 4 ohm. Make sure when you close the speakers back up they are sealed tightly, you don't want air leaking in. However, those speakers will sound like trash, I highly recommend against using them.

 

Also, you can get a low quality sound card if all you want is to pass through the audio signal. Get the one you want though, if it is going to be used to drive the headphones.

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Thanks for the feedback, + Reps to everyone that helped. thumb.gif I think for now I am going to keep the amp, although I forgot to mention I didn't get the remote, not that its a big deal, I could probably use one of my cheapo universal remotes or I will gab one off ebay. Besides if I do want to upgrade to something else I can always sell it. for now it should do.

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1. Get a Xonar DG with optical (or something better since my MB or Sound Card doesn't have a Optical out)
2. Get a Nice pair of 8ohm bookshelf speakers with a 8ohm sub.


Oh! forgot to mention, I went over to the friend and bought his speakers, there is 5 little black speakers and a sub, looks a lot like a set I had on my old computer, its from Cambridge Audio, I know they used to make pretty nice PC sound systems back in the day. So I opened it up and the speakers have quite some padding inside too!! biggrin.gif





However like the speakers the sub is also 4ohm, 20W.
I know plenty for a small room but probably cant be done since its 4ohms. But I wonder though, if I could wire them in series to change the impedance from 4 ohm to 8 ohm by the negative to the positive of the second speaker to make them work as 8 Ohm speakers a pair? They do feel like very nicely built and if I could get them to work then it could hold me off till I can come across a good local listing for a pair of bookshelf speakers. But I dont know, I cant risk damaging the amp unless I am absolutely sure what I'm doing and if its safe and it would work redface.gif

like described here: http://www.bcae1.com/spkrmlti.htm

Remember that the sub needs to be powered, not passive. Passive subs tend to be bundled with a receiver that has the sub's amp built right into the unit. Pretty much any decent receiver will not have that but will have the low level outputs. You ether need a powered sub that has ether RCA input or high level speaker input pass though filter.

If the speakers are 4ohm you can take two and wire them up in series and stack them on top of each other for each side. Just make sure not to run them in parallel as you would be running 2ohms off your receiver.
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