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The stock market is very....difficult. Even if a company does extremely well (record profits quarter after quarter), there is no certainty that the general public (share holders) will react the same way (drive prices up). That is the beauty of the stock market.


With a company as big as APPL, it is no longer about the products they produce. It's about how they can spin the company in the eyes of the public. Some people will tell you that APPL has been slipping because google is eating away at apple, sure they might be true to some extent but that alone does not drop the price of apple.

Other will say apple has been constantly over estimated, while that is true to some extent. Let me remind you that people actually bought facebook shares. If the stock market were so simple, we would all be rich.

The stock market much like our government, usually controlled by a very select few(groups, powerful individuals) who try as best they can to manipulate it to their advantage. Remember when apple closed at exactly 500.00 a couple of days ago? This is after apple hit an all time high of 700~, the people with more than a couple of hundred of shares want to short.
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post #32 of 106
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No, iPhones in general. (Sorry if this has already been discussed, I'm reading through and catching up with the epic news).

Epic news, indeed! I take it you've read THIS ground-breaking article, no doubt!
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Funny how a company is valued for what everybody thinks it will be earning instead of what it earned, they should buy their stock back..

Check my prior post with the article on why this is difficult for Apple and why Apple rightfully deserves this recent spout of price revaluation. They've essentially created massive paper value for their company...but the majority of it is now out of the hands of any US investors (dividends and such) without either paying the lovely 35% tax to bring it back or some complicated side methods of bringing it back here.
     
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No company can continue to constantly improve and improve, year on year. I think people's expectations of Apple are just too high, frankly. And no that's not a fanboy comment - how would they meet the hype of their prerelease rumors now?

Exactly.

Yahoo, Netscape, IBM, etc ... they all were mega companies who were once were at the top of their game and fell off. That's the problem with being at the top, you have no where to go but down.
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Exactly.

Yahoo, Netscape, IBM, etc ... they all were mega companies who were once were at the top of their game and fell off. That's the problem with being at the top, you have no where to go but down.

I would take issue with saying IBM is no longer a mega corporation and is no longer at the top of their game. That being said, I would agree with the point you and ice made
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I would take issue with saying IBM is no longer a mega corporation and is no longer at the top of their game. That being said, I would agree with the point you and ice made

I didn't mean to imply that IBM is no longer a mega corporation, I misspoke. I guess I should have better clarified what I was getting at. In days of old, IBM used to be THE company to go to for personal computers. Now, they are barely a blip on the radar. Other companies have beaten them out (Dell, HP, Toshiba, etc).
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Out of curiosity, why doesn't Apple buy back their stock and go private? I feel like after a company matures to the point Apple has (and has as much cash on-hand as they do), they have no real reason for stock. They don't really have any R&D to speak of, either.
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Out of curiosity, why doesn't Apple buy back their stock and go private? I feel like after a company matures to the point Apple has (and has as much cash on-hand as they do), they have no real reason for stock. They don't really have any R&D to speak of, either.

There are advantages to sitting on large piles of cash and having stock and not just buying back your stock. One of which is, and it's the reason why many companies are sitting on huge piles of cash, uncertainty about the future, usually with regards to taxes, employee insurance funding and a whole host of government regulation. Companies don't want to sit on piles of cash for no reason, making next to no money on interest, but then again, with uncertain times, it isn't the wisest thing to be "cash poor" either.
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Out of curiosity, why doesn't Apple buy back their stock and go private? I feel like after a company matures to the point Apple has (and has as much cash on-hand as they do), they have no real reason for stock. They don't really have any R&D to speak of, either.

Yeah and what happens when the apple bubble pops? Cause its gonna happen someday, cant keep a company running on iphone/itunes profits forever.
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Out of curiosity, why doesn't Apple buy back their stock and go private? I feel like after a company matures to the point Apple has (and has as much cash on-hand as they do), they have no real reason for stock. They don't really have any R&D to speak of, either.

Sigh...because they need some of the cash they have sitting outside of the US to do so...and that would mean pay 35% tax for every dollar they brought back...while also running the risk of having a market out price them as they try to prepare the cash. I think I'm done repeating myself this thread has gone in circles. redface.gif
     
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