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they have gone down considerably since the X factor Jobs indued Apple with ran out and now that its done we will see what really made the Apple machine tick

Jony Ive, the man who actually designed the iPhone, the iPod and its track wheel and also has half of the patents Apple applied for in his name along with Steve Jobs?
The only thing he really did by himself was bring the company back from the brink of death, people who say he was the entire brains behind the operation clearly have no idea about Apple.
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Not even surprised. Apple is crashing.

They no longer hold an "Exclusive" product. The iPhone isn't special anymore - it's easily equaled and beaten by cheaper competitors. The macbook is getting wrecked by the ultrabook-series. Their desktops don't sell. The iPad is slowly getting pushed by other tablets. It's only a matter of time.

The only thing Apple ever had going for it was an incredibly lucky situation. They dropped a digital audio player right when the internet could really support it (bandwidth wise), then followed the hype wagon by simply making it a phone. They put almost all their money into marketing (this is probably why the desktop-tower is the worst thing ever made), completely neglecting that their lucky break wouldn't last long enough.

Once competitors caught up (i.e. large-format touchscreen phones), Apple panicked and tried to stop them by blocking sales (one million lawsuits later), only to see that tactic fall on its face. Now they've got no friends, no exclusive market, horribly expensive products in a recession, and shareholder expectations from 2008-2010.

Watch. By Q3-Q4 2014, Apple will be a mid-sized tech company, similar to LG or Dell. Im also going to call that the next major downturn is going to be from the iPhone 5S' launch in the late-summer this year, when it fails to deliver anything new.

this pretty much sums it up for me, i mean, its true - while APPLE is still hittin gtheir sales numbers - but really tho, just how do you expect your customers to buy a refresh of the item..everytime..best example..iphone.. it looks the same everytime..a lil bigger now finally with iphone5..but they're planning on making a iphone mini? so...what now? taking a step back and going back to iphone4/3gs days? and completely jst label it as "iphone mini"? and hope to milk more money? cmon now. and yes, there are GOOGLE AND SAMSUNG PRODUCTS tat are just as reliable as apple ones. my nexus4 hasn't failed me once. nor did my GS2 - let alone the GS3 that my gf has.
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Without Steve Jobs, there's not much that's special about Apple; as we're seeing and will continue to see.

They've also burned every bridge there was in the business world, so there will be no mercy for them.

I don't think you know the meaning of that word.
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Not surprised, Apple seem to panicking lately,
Suing left, right and center over silly little things < at least half the apple owners I know left apple because of this

Breaking Steve Jobs designs principles with every Iphone having the same screen size and him saying that 7" tablets are not needed yet releasing one anyway

not to mention the current rumors are that the next set of iphones will come in many different sizes, this alone introduces fragmentation that has long been an advantage of apple over android.

But lets face it every company will fall eventually/
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this, we are watching Microsoft slowly deteriorate over time. Every company has its cycle. Samsung will probably overtake apple in the next couple of years. but then someone will overtake them as well. But ill ride the wave of competition because that means a better product.
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Exactly. My economics professor told us that stock prices are nothing more than the expectation of the future price of the stock.

And he is correct for the majority of people. However, it is not purely speculation. This is why some institutions will hold on stock long after the small timers have left and then enjoy the humor of the small timers jumping back on that stock later (the market has short term memory of a baby for the most part). There are underlying values that matter but if you just act on either the hard numbers of the financials or the whims of speculation (small timers) then you'll be basically playing a losing battle.

@Darkpreist: I only made up my losses in my class stock competition by doing just that...puts and shorts on Apple back in October, November, and December. The advice you were given was "sound" (so they say) for the information at hand but the problem was people just failed to understand the institutions (Fannie and Fred) and bought into the herd mentality. That is the biggest strength and weakness of investing...you are at the mercy of the majority for the most part. The only way to win is to be the leader (AKA among the first to move at the right time before the herd). Really, the stock market is a perfect reflection of humanity. People can demonize it all they want and they're just being hypocrites (especially if they've got retirement plans or some other investments).

But hey...if you guys hate the market so much...don't invest. Though I still wonder how you will beat inflation with anything you hold besides housing or land.
     
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This is why some institutions will hold on stock long after the small timers have left and then enjoy the humor of the small timers jumping back on that stock later (the market has short term memory of a baby for the most part).

There are also just different kinds of trading strategies. A swing trader would hold a stock longer than a day trader, assuming a favorable trend, but both could still potentially make money. Some try to predict the very short term, while other are more comfortable predicting longer-term trends.
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Jony Ive, the man who actually designed the iPhone, the iPod and its track wheel and also has half of the patents Apple applied for in his name along with Steve Jobs?
The only thing he really did by himself was bring the company back from the brink of death, people who say he was the entire brains behind the operation clearly have no idea about Apple.

Except that's just it, the rest of the WORLD views it that way too. Apple survives purely on IMAGE, and not on any actual technical innovation. Even things like the iPhone and iPod were just re-hashes of existing technology, but it was made pretty and fashionable. Even though the other guy did the designs, would he have done so if Jobs hadn't sat down at some point and told his board or someone else above Jony and said "I wanna make this." ? nope. Jobs was the only creative LEADER there, and bad leaders will sink any company.
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There are also just different kinds of trading strategies. A swing trader would hold a stock longer than a day trader, assuming a favorable trend, but both could still potentially make money. Some try to predict the very short term, while other are more comfortable predicting longer-term trends.

Well I was reply to the generalizations...if we wanted to go into depth I think we could be here all day. biggrin.gif

Anyway...I'm just concerned with how much anti-capitalism and all is on this site. Especially, considering how the very hobby we are interested is in many ways only around because of that economic style.
     
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Well I was reply to the generalizations...if we wanted to go into depth I think we could be here all day. biggrin.gif

Anyway...I'm just concerned with how much anti-capitalism and all is on this site. Especially, considering how the very hobby we are interested is in many ways only around because of that economic style.

Feel the same way but capitalism does not equate materialism. hell the most marxist standpoint of them all is the materialistic history.... (For those who get this: I know, I know)
 
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+1 to that guy being completely ignorant about what he's talking about. I'm running CM10.1 nightly. It's very fast, and it's as stable as a rock. Every single time I let friends with iPhones use my phone, you can tell they think it's really cool and far better then their phone. Android allows far more functionality and customization than an iPhone. It's almost laughable.

I guess I need to go back up to my post about the main thing holding iPhone users back is their App Store investment and add ignorant people like this who think the iPhone is faster, more stable, and that Android is all about the bling. hairysmiley.png
A BS in electrical engineering plus 8 years as a nuc in navy makes me ignorant huh? There's not a phone out there comparable to the iPhone. It's actually ironic that there are so many haters trying to defend the terrible Droid programming and horrible droid quality. Like I said .... I went thru 4 droids in one year. I won't be going back. Sorry you think Apple makes an infererior product. Sales say otherwise but hey it is what it is.
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