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On the contrary, the internet and mobile data are arguably used far more than heat or water. I'd say those are probably the two largest utilities (aside from electricity, of course) in the world now.

Once society needs something as a basic part of living, it's considered a utility. You could argue that we could all use land-lines, fax machines, and photocopiers, but again, those are no longer standards. Cell usage is used by business people, parents, teachers, couples...the internet is used by... well, just about everyone.



When there's no water you rapidly see that your assumption is based on a first world problem.

One Third of the globe has no ready internet access.

No one needs the internet to survive. You do need heat and without both, you are literally dead.

To be honest I live in a part of town that has regular outages whenever a storm hits. And when the power is off, it can feel incredibly refreshing to be "disconnected" from everything.

During the Derecho last year the power was out for days. On the first morning though, I took an early 5.A.M run to see the damage myself. With all the mist coming from the trees, and the unreal quiet, it was one of the most ethereal experiences I have ever felt.

On the opther hand as the days dragged on, the lack of air conditioning and refrigeration was literally killing people.

No one was complaining about the internet, but plenty were complaining that 911 wasn't working as Verizon had gone down.

I agree that the internet is a very important part of society now, but in no way is it needed.
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I hate to be the bearer of bad news here, but smart phones and home itnernet connections are not required for surviving day to day life, I've done it when i was poor and MANY people around the world live completly internet and smartphone free, These things are luxury items, They can charge as they see fit imo

Not quite.... Internet and cellular service are world changers. They allow for the easy flow of information. Information leads to new markets and informed citizens

Internet and cellular services are helping to lift areas out of proverty.

It's like mail service... it's not a necessity but it is necessary (well... less since the Internet, ironically).
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I hate to be the bearer of bad news here, but smart phones and home itnernet connections are not required for surviving day to day life, I've done it when i was poor and MANY people around the world live completly internet and smartphone free, These things are luxury items, They can charge as they see fit imo

 

I'm probably looking at this in the wrong way but I just imagine this. Imagine that all of a sudden all internet everywhere just disappeared, just gone instantly. I think of all the havoc that would create if this service just disappeared. Do you need it to physically live? No, but businesses would shut down, a bunch of the worlds information would "disappear". The internet is a very powerful tool and has help craft and progress society.

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I'm probably looking at this in the wrong way but I just imagine this. Imagine that all of a sudden all internet everywhere just disappeared, just gone instantly. I think of all the havoc that would create if this service just disappeared. Do you need it to physically live? No, but businesses would shut down, a bunch of the worlds information would "disappear". The internet is a very powerful tool and has help craft and progress society.

Yes damages would be in the trillions, Businesses would suffer incredibly because they all now rely on the internet, But if it just up and went away tommorow, No-one would die from the loss of it and the world would recover, The internet and smart phones aren't required, There is Nothing they can do that walking to the local post office can't, Only differance is sending a pen and paper letter takes a few days vs the instantaneous communication the internet offers.


YOu can still pay your bills, Talk to your parents, Correspond with family and loved ones without the internet, You can even apply to jobs, By no means is it Required.

Maybe libraries might get used again did you know there is a wealth of information in books, your local library probably has thousands if not hundreds of thousands of books.
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I hate to be the bearer of bad news here, but smart phones and home itnernet connections are not required for surviving day to day life, I've done it when i was poor and MANY people around the world live completly internet and smartphone free, These things are luxury items, They can charge as they see fit imo

Who decides whats a "luxury item" and what isn't?

You?

What if I don't consider that luxury..

You living without it doesn't make it luxury
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Network providing is a natural monopoly and is currently an oligopoly. Your assumptions don't apply since the supplier sets prices.

And it will stay an oligopoly forever rolleyes.gif

I didn't say that it'd happen in a year or two, just saying the problem will work itself out eventually. The most the average person can do to speed it up is to not give the big companies their money. That, or email congressmen/start a petition/something else like that. I'd prefer some government action since it'd be quicker of course (and if we protested loudly enough to any ridiculousness proposed like SOPA we'd hopefully get some decent results out of it) to bring prices down. Personally I think network providing should be more similar to water, electric, etc. I'd consider internet a utility since I think it's a great tool for those in poverty to attain more economic mobility (the number of education opportunities online just keeps growing, online courses and whatnot).

Networking is a natural monopoly, and currently an oligopoly, but there are still alternatives to the big names like Leap Wireless too. Leap/Cricket is considerably smaller than the other two, but it's still an alternative at least. Call me out if I'm wrong and they're in on this whole thing too, I'm too broke for anything more than a tracfone so my personal experience with dealing with network providers is next to nothing tongue.gif

I think my assumptions do apply still, just not on the level that they do for other markets.
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Yes damages would be in the trillions, Businesses would suffer incredibly because they all now rely on the internet, But if it just up and went away tommorow, No-one would die from the loss of it and the world would recover, The internet and smart phones aren't required, There is Nothing they can do that walking to the local post office can't, Only differance is sending a pen and paper letter takes a few days vs the instantaneous communication the internet offers.


YOu can still pay your bills, Talk to your parents, Correspond with family and loved ones without the internet, You can even apply to jobs, By no means is it Required.

Maybe libraries might get used again did you know there is a wealth of information in books, your local library probably has thousands if not hundreds of thousands of books.
That's not true everywhere.

In 3rd world countries, there is no such infrastructure of reliable/cheap mail, library systems, land lines, etc.


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Networking is a natural monopoly, and currently an oligopoly, but there are still alternatives to the big names like Leap Wireless too. Leap/Cricket is considerably smaller than the other two, but it's still an alternative at least. Call me out if I'm wrong and they're in on this whole thing too, I'm too broke for anything more than a tracfone so my personal experience with dealing with network providers is next to nothing tongue.gif
They still license from other providers and are at their whim though.
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LTE is designed to encompass 100Mbps or more

I would never pay for 10Mbps, when the same company will ask for more (later on) whether or not I neeeded their faster services.
    
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Yes damages would be in the trillions, Businesses would suffer incredibly because they all now rely on the internet, But if it just up and went away tommorow, No-one would die from the loss of it and the world would recover, The internet and smart phones aren't required, There is Nothing they can do that walking to the local post office can't, Only differance is sending a pen and paper letter takes a few days vs the instantaneous communication the internet offers.


YOu can still pay your bills, Talk to your parents, Correspond with family and loved ones without the internet, You can even apply to jobs, By no means is it Required.

Maybe libraries might get used again did you know there is a wealth of information in books, your local library probably has thousands if not hundreds of thousands of books.

We can expand on this also, food and water are the only thing actually needed for us to survive. Heat and electricity? Not needed, we just have to go a little further back in time than we would when we sent telegrams and such, I'm saying we go back to when we lived entirely off the land. See, this stuff isn't needed, but it is practical and makes living that much easier and progresses our society instead of standing still or going backwards and that's exactly what the internet does.

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