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Originally Posted by 47 Knucklehead View Post

YES!

And for every person that is telling me I'm wrong, I can turn the same thing around on them and give them an example of how it IS a luxury.

So YES, it is very subjective. Which is the point. If it is subjective, then it really isn't NEEDED to live.

I'm not saying that there are cases where you don't absolutely HAVE TO HAVE a cell phone or internet. Sure there are. But in those few cases, you are generally PROVIDED them.

Luxury is NOT a step above "whats needed to live".

Luxury is PAST the state of COMFORTABLE. Luxury is BEYOND what "comfortable" living is, NOT minimal.

So stop comparing it to minimal survival living, luxury is past the comfort level, its the highest form of living..

You are comparing minimal survival to the highest form of living..

Having a cellphone and internet access is NOT the highest form of living in the United States. Majority of the population in the United States and developed countries have access to these BASIC services.

The definition of luxury is more towards the wealthy class with large income, IE FANCY.

Those services are not "fancy", they might've been fancy 50 years ago, but they are not fancy at this present time in those countries
Edited by Clipze - 1/25/13 at 4:07pm
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Then it's settled; 47 Knucklehead is a knucklehead. We'll live in our own century with our own necessary luxuries thank you very much.
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It's not that we're dependent on it, it's become the platform for nearly every piece of information on the planet.

Even the the postal service delivers your mail, it went through a computer somewhere along the line. Unless you don't want tracking for your online purchase, something some companies will ONLY offer.
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It's not that we're dependent on it, it's become the platform for nearly every piece of information on the planet.

Even the the postal service delivers your mail, it went through a computer somewhere along the line. Unless you don't want tracking for your online purchase, something some companies will ONLY offer.

Well.. the modern world DOES depend on it, pretty much EVERYTHING is run by networked computers.
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An example of this is here in Oregon. The state actually went out and built about 128 towers throughout the entire state. The state was going to have companies like mine go on them and push our services out further, we were going to get broadband to almost all of Oregon. Then suddenly it wasn't such a "good" idea, and funding was pulled overnight.

Amazing. What happened to those 128 towers?

I think a solution would be somewhere in a public owned company owning the lines and leasing them out to private companies. Maybe this would get rid of the high entry barrier that prevents competition since you could just lease the lines and this would also help return the tax payers investments in the lines? Fiber in the city with wireless in the sticks. I'm just brainstorming out loud. I don't think we'll ever have to the organization to pull it off, though.
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If people are willing to pay it, that's what the service is worth, and what they should charge. Cell phone data is not in any way like a utility. You don't need it, no matter how much you think you do. You do need heat and water.

According to your analogy we don't need heat or water either. Can always go back to building our own fires and drinking out of water streams wink.gif
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Amazing. What happened to those 128 towers?

I think a solution would be somewhere in a public owned company owning the lines and leasing them out to private companies. Maybe this would get rid of the high entry barrier that prevents competition since you could just lease the lines and this would also help return the tax payers investments in the lines? Fiber in the city with wireless in the sticks. I'm just brainstorming out loud. I don't think we'll ever have to the organization to pull it off, though.

The towers still stand, they were completely abandoned, and still owned by the state....

As for your proposed solution....

That was tried, and without surprise, shutdown by "The powers that be", instead of letting it naturally work. You see, you and I and all the other tax payers paid for very large amounts of Fiber to be put in the ground, but then it was never lit and used. It is what we call "Dark Fiber", and there is tons of it, unfortunately getting to it is very difficult in most situations. So what you see happen are large Telco and Cable providers buy it from the Government (US) at pennies on the dollar. They then "own" it, and of course, it is privatized, and anyone else that wants to use it has to pay the new owner a premium to access it.

The original idea of laying all this fiber and building facilities was to create "Carrier Neutral" Data Centers that are ran as a Co-OP by the companies that use them and a small public board of technical people. These facilities would allow for the various providers to create hand-offs and cross-connects without the massive fees that we see as providers. The most expensive part of being in a Data Center we see as a Provider are the Co-location fees and the cross connect fees, the actual Fiber is cheap as hell.

The point I am getting at is that every time we have tried to make access more public friendly, big money has stepped in and squashed it to the ground. I know it is fun to hate on "Corporations", but the industry as a whole feels there needs to be massive change. The entire reason we started our business was to address the public need in our area, and we have just grown. However, there are a few, and I mean just a few, big Corporations that are controlling it.

If done right there would be plenty of pie, enough for the public to get cheap and proper access, and enough for private business to make money and be happy. Instead you have a few fatties that want the entire damn pie!
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It's cool to hear it straight from somebody that's owns an actual ISP. +Rep!
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Good times. I got yelled at in the Mobile Phones section of OCN for wanting to keep my unlimited data plan and how my data usage was so detrimental to the phone companies that that is why they were charging more/adding tiers.
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