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Originally Posted by 47 Knucklehead View Post

YES!

And for every person that is telling me I'm wrong, I can turn the same thing around on them and give them an example of how it IS a luxury.

So YES, it is very subjective. Which is the point. If it is subjective, then it really isn't NEEDED to live.

I'm not saying that there are cases where you don't absolutely HAVE TO HAVE a cell phone or internet. Sure there are. But in those few cases, you are generally PROVIDED them.

Who cares whether is absolutely necessary for survival or not? Our modern economy needs cell phones and the internet to function regardless of whether or not it is a luxury to some African children. Without a modern economy to develop science, eventually the world population will exceed the necessary production of food, leading to starvation, and death. Maybe its not directly necessary to live, but it is certainly indirectly necessary to live.
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Sure and companies still have to pay ridiculous data fees as well, though usually not as bad as they have larger buying power and can force companies to give them slightly better rates.

You would think so, but take FiOS for example. At present it seems as if Verizon charges the same for residential and small business, but it used to be a lot more expensive for small business for the same connection.

And I'm going to chime in on the side that says this stuff is luxury. When I was in MS/HS, cell phones of any sort were just starting to come into popular usage and broadband was relatively new. Hell, I used to game on dial-up. I just don't see the actual need for a cell phone or broadband internet, I can and have done without it in recent memory without any great suffering. That I like having fiber internet and would very much like a Galaxy S3 (or S4) on a maxed out Verizon plan doesn't mean I confuse them with necessities. And before you bring out the business argument, that's not at all the same thing and employees are usually reimbursed if they're required to get a smart phone for their job.
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Who cares whether is absolutely necessary for survival or not? Our modern economy needs cell phones and the internet to function regardless of whether or not it is a luxury to some African children. Without a modern economy to develop science, eventually the world population will exceed the necessary production of food, leading to starvation, and death. Maybe its not directly necessary to live, but it is certainly indirectly necessary to live.

You're confusing personal need with the needs of large inorganic structures.
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I am a little surprised at how many people are comparing cell phone data to things like heat or water. I know plenty of people who don't have smart phones and they seem to lead fairly decent lives. They have jobs, they have nice homes and can afford some nice things. To all the people posting about the almighty importance of the internet, yes, the internet is important in the modern world. That doesn't mean that every individual in that world needs to be connected to it 24/7 from any location. I know I'm sitting here on a technology board and the dependence of the internet will be exaggerated, but it's laughable just how far some will take it. Like if a farmer couldn't fathom how a human being could live without, say, a tractor (in other words, just because you may feel you have to have it for whatever reason, doesn't mean everyone must have it).

Most people that I know with smart phones use them as toys. Those who are required to have them for work are provided phones by their employer so the cost is not an issue. I don't know where so many here are coming from where if one doesn't have a data plan on their phone they cannot function in the modern world.
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I am a little surprised at how many people are comparing cell phone data to things like heat or water. I know plenty of people who don't have smart phones and they seem to lead fairly decent lives. They have jobs, they have nice homes and can afford some nice things. To all the people posting about the almighty importance of the internet, yes, the internet is important in the modern world. That doesn't mean that every individual in that world needs to be connected to it 24/7 from any location. I know I'm sitting here on a technology board and the dependence of the internet will be exaggerated, but it's laughable just how far some will take it. Like if a farmer couldn't fathom how a human being could live without, say, a tractor (in other words, just because you may feel you have to have it for whatever reason, doesn't mean everyone must have it).

Most people that I know with smart phones use them as toys. Those who are required to have them for work are provided phones by their employer so the cost is not an issue. I don't know where so many here are coming from where if one doesn't have a data plan on their phone they cannot function in the modern world.

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I've read the going rate to transport a gig of data is under $.20. At that rate, I don't think there is any excuse for high data cost.
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I've read the going rate to transport a gig of data is under $.20. At that rate, I don't think there is any excuse for high data cost.

What are the specifics? Over what connection, between which companies, where?

$.20 per GB sounds like a magnitude or two too high.



In fact, I can indirectly prove it. Comcast had set their cap at 250GB. If it was $.20 per GB, a user hitting the cap would be $50 in cost to Comcast. That's more than a mid-tier plan costs (~$45). There is no way they would set a cap at or even near their breakeven cost.
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What are the specifics? Over what connection, between which companies, where?

$.20 per GB sounds like a magnitude or two too high.



In fact, I can indirectly prove it. Comcast had set their cap at 250GB. If it was $.20 per GB, a user hitting the cap would be $50 in cost to Comcast. That's more than a mid-tier plan costs (~$45). There is no way they would set a cap at or even near their breakeven cost.

I was off by a decent bit, that number was apparently old data. It seems taht the current is $.03 per gig

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To find out what is a fair price, I contacted several industry insiders. They informed me that approximately four years ago, the cost for a certain large Telco to transmit one gigabyte of data was around 12 cents. That's after all of its operational and fixed costs were accounted for. Thanks to improved technology and more powerful machines, that number dropped to around 6 cents two years ago and is about 3 cents per gigabyte today.

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I was off by a decent bit, that number was apparently old data. It seems taht the current is $.03 per gig
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Those are Canadian figures though... I bet you that US costs are probably closer to $.01/GB.
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Those are Canadian figures though... I bet you that US costs are probably closer to $.01/GB.

Data is cheap as heck to transmit, that isn't a secret. The cost comes in with the co-location fees and what is required to get to the data....that is the big expense for many providers. Most data centers are private companies that charge fees to be in them, exorbitant fees in some cases.
    
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