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Your definition of "luxury item" is actually not the correct one in terms of economics.

Toilet paper or fruit would be considered a luxury item by your definition.

Fruit is food, One can make their own toilet paper, because you all do realise that the ancients didn't have factories and god knows whatever else, they still survived, We live in a world of luxury, We don't need smart phones or portable internet to survive, it is a luxury item and the supplier can and will charge as much as they want.


Don't like the prices? Don't buy it
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"food" and "water" are not needs. Sure you need them to live, but nobody needs to live and hence they're just more common wants.

 

You're probably purposely taking it out of context but I'll bite, needs are what is needed to survive. Also so you don't take it a step further don't say oxygen, sun, etc...

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Man I'm almost embarrassed to use my smartphone because of the BS the carriers pull. Fran Shammo has even basically called VZW customers idiots in the past. One of the reasons for the oligopoly is because of the high entree barrier due to costs. People saying capitalism and free market over and over need to shut up. This is not a typical free market. I'm usually not for regulation but it needs to be regulated or we'll continue to get a pathetic 2GB ridiculous prices.
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Originally Posted by Rayleyne View Post

Fruit is food, One can make their own toilet paper, because you all do realise that the ancients didn't have factories and god knows whatever else, they still survived, We live in a world of luxury, We don't need smart phones or portable internet to survive, it is a luxury item and the supplier can and will charge as much as they want.


Don't like the prices? Don't buy it
Fruit is a food source... but so are bugs and so is Kobe steak. Which is considered a luxury item?
How can one make their own toliet paper in a desert or in prison?

Your application of "luxury item" is inconsistent. Your definition of "luxury item" is not the economic definition so you are speaking to others using the wrong terminology. Luxury is relative. Luxury goods are not just about survival.

The world is just not simple..... Don't like the price of fuel in the winter in Alaska? Just don't buy it?
Edited by DuckieHo - 1/23/13 at 11:27pm
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Fruit is a food source... but so are bugs and so is Kobe steak. Which is considered a luxury item?
How can one make their own toliet paper in a desert or in prison?

Your application of "luxury item" is inconsistent. Your definition of "luxury item" is not the economic definition so you are speaking to others using the wrong terminology. Luxury is relative. Luxury goods are not just about survival.

The world is just not simple..... Don't like the price of fuel in the winter in Alaska? Just don't buy it?

 I don't like the price of my car insurance, can I please just not buy it :D

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 I don't like the price of my car insurance, can I please just not buy it biggrin.gif

Well since the "ancients" didn't have car insurance, I think you would suffer no repercussions if you stopped paying for your car insurance. It has to be a luxury since it's not food or water! You'd survive fine in jail thumb.gif
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Well since the "ancients" didn't have car insurance, I think you would suffer no repercussions if you stopped paying for your car insurance. It has to be a luxury since it's not food or water! You'd survive fine in jail thumb.gif

Free housing and food? Why haven't more people that complain about prices gone to this magical place?

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You're probably purposely taking it out of context but I'll bite, needs are what is needed to survive. Also so you don't take it a step further don't say oxygen, sun, etc...

It's not out of context, every single one of your needs is subservient to a basic human want: the will to live. You want to eat and you want to drink water because at the end of the day you want to live and without them you can't live.

If you want to consider eating and drinking needs that's fairly reasonable - most people would agree, but I haven't adopted that opinion because in my mind everything is a want.
    
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Answer? Greed. Over-charging. No regulations on capping the profitability of what is actually a utility. IT's like broadband or natural gas. They're allowed to screw their customers at any corner.

Exactly, except for the regulations thing. I'd rather have competition than regulations. It's just a shame that with our crony justice system potential upstart competitors are sued out of the market.

I have Cox which used to be super fast compared to everything else but now it is just average. Even worse this past month I have had terrible reliability issues with Cox. I get random lag spikes out of the blue that go up to 200ms latency. Tonight I was pushing past 999ms for a whole 2 minutes. If someone is streaming video on the Apple TV my latency shoots up to 200-300ms latency. This isn't even a cheap DSL plan either. We have an expensive $60/mo (with basic cable) 30/1.5 mbps plan. I seriously doubt that we actually have 30 mbps download if our connection can't even handle an online game and streaming some video at the same time. I'm sick of this money grubbing service but the only alternative is AT&T which everyone knows is the worst.

This is why after college I'll be sticking to a cheap pre-paid cell phone and no landline. There's no way I would piss away $100/mo just so that I can browse the web on the go. Even if there were no data caps it would still be a joke.
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 I don't like the price of my car insurance, can I please just not buy it biggrin.gif

And that is prime example of why REGULATION is not the perfect answer people make it out to be. In fact that is part of the whole reason the "data/telecom" industry is as closed off as it is. Regulation is just another barrier to entry (anyone with a small amount of econ/business understands this).

And Duckie...if you don't want to pay for the fuel costs you don't pay. It is that simple. People need to stop and think about their consumption habits if they care so much about costs. "data/telecom" will continue to increase in price as more people become "addicted" if you will to the services and as long as barriers to entry remain as they are or increase with further protectionist regulations that will claim to "stick it to the telecoms" but end up being co-opted into toothless or shielding doctrine. The consumer has no one to blame but themselves.
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