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Answer: Verizon charges what they can get people to pay for. Price, unlike cost, is determined by one thing ... What the market will bear. If people think that Verizon is charging too much for their service, they should stop using them and go to any number of other service providers. It really is as simple as that.


During an oligopoly that is untrue. The price is what the seller determines the price to be.

The decisions of one firm influence, and are influenced by, the decisions of other firms. I.E. they can charge WHATEVER they want. Oligopolies tend to compete on terms other than price. Loyalty schemes, advertisement, and product differentiation are all examples of non-price competition. <-- sound familiar?
 
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Answer? Greed. Over-charging. No regulations on capping the profitability of what is actually a utility. IT's like broadband or natural gas. They're allowed to screw their customers at any corner.

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>Never paid a bill online
>Wouldn't take a generation to recover really it wouldn't.
>Is now employed as of 2 days ago after walking into a recycling plant management office with my resume and earning 38.51 an hour


I enjoy being wrong there, Fact There are MANY jobs that don't need online applications, These however are the jobs that no-one wants to do.

This isn't 4chan.

Congrats on the job, I won't disagree that people first is the way to get work. Not to mention that you had the skill set(s) to earn almost 2 1/2 times my salary.... I need to get into recycling.

It would take a generation or more to recover if the internet "up and dissapeared". I'd say nearly 80-90% of our communication is done through the internet. This means ALL fax lines, telephone, and other early-internet infrastructure would be gone.
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Considering the telephone came long before the internet, The telephone would still technically be around and it wouldn't be all that hard (Manpower wise) To bring back as a separate system if the internet gone went poofed.
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Answer? Greed. Over-charging. No regulations on capping the profitability of what is actually a utility. IT's like broadband or natural gas. They're allowed to screw their customers at any corner.

Done and done.
    
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Exactly, except for the regulations thing. I'd rather have competition than regulations. It's just a shame that with our crony justice system potential upstart competitors are sued out of the market.
Natual monopoly.... it's hard to have competition since additional capital investment is almost redundent and waste of resources.

i.e. Having two water companies in town laying down two seperate pipe systems is a waste of resources. It is more efficent to have only one company lay down their set of pipes. Another company may lease or share the pipes especially with government intervention.

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And Duckie...if you don't want to pay for the fuel costs you don't pay. It is that simple. People need to stop and think about their consumption habits if they care so much about costs. "data/telecom" will continue to increase in price as more people become "addicted" if you will to the services and as long as barriers to entry remain as they are or increase with further protectionist regulations that will claim to "stick it to the telecoms" but end up being co-opted into toothless or shielding doctrine. The consumer has no one to blame but themselves.
If you don't pay for fuel.... you die in the cold.

It's not simply about addiction. Telecommunication is a requirement for many.... i.e. I need my Internet connection or I lose my job since I cannot immediate remote into my work PC to resolve issues at 3AM. I could get another job but it would pay less and cause market inefficencies since I would not be able to work to my full potential.

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there is no definition of "luxury"..
A luxury good is an good or service with the income elasticity of demand of greater than one. Basically, it is something that increases in demand as relative income rises.

For example.... generally, the demands for steak increase over hamburgers as income rises. Steak can be considered a luxury good... EXCEPT in very rich areas where the demand for steak is no longer rising. In these areas, steak is NOT considered a luxury good. See.... it's all relative.

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bottom line- profit (aka greed)
Profit is not the same as greed.

Companies should earn profits and increase their value. An issue is when they distort the pricing by utilizing their size.
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Originally Posted by ericld View Post

Supply and demand. The demand right now is for data bandwidth, so carriers are going to supply it at a premium and ride that wave till it crashes. Even now a lot of carriers are offering shared voice minutes (which totally sucks), and rearranging their data plans to milk it even more.rolleyes.gif
It's not simple supply and demands when dealing with monopolies/oligopolies.

Companies can price to maximize their profits but create sub-optimal market conditions.


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Well if you are going to call me out then i guess i shall call you out too, It is a luxury item and that's that, You can find employment WITHOUT the use of the internet, The last FIVE jobs i've gone through all applied in there in person no internet contact i walked in with me resume (because thats what real grownups do when they want a job they go and FIND ONE IN PERSON) and said this is who i am give me a job, Because if you aren't ignorant or stupid you'll get the job 9 days out of 10.


Shelter is a NEED, Internet and MOBILE Broadband at that is not.


This has to be the most sheltered and un-knowledgeable post i have ever seen
OCN forum ignore certainly gotten a lot of use in the last week.

Actually, you are wrong since you cannot even define a "luxury good". It is simply a good that increases in demand as income rises. It is completely relative. Would you hire anyone into a tech position who does not have Internet access? It therefore is a necessity for IT positions.... that is not saying it is a necessity for living.

Would a car be considered a luxury good?
It depends....
If you live 50 miles from town in the US, no.
If you live in Burma, yes.
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Considering the telephone came long before the internet, The telephone would still technically be around and it wouldn't be all that hard (Manpower wise) To bring back as a separate system if the internet gone went poofed.

The internet as it is now would never of been able to propagate without the telephone. It was a precursor that allowed the same "instant communication" as we have today. Just based off of essential functionality, if the internet would go, so would the infrastructure.

You don't get to kill the data transmission method while keeping the backbone of said transmission method. Since we are talking about hypothetical situations, I reject your reality and substitute my own.
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Interesting opinions in this thread thumb.gif

Verizon is indeed horrible. Example they pass on EVERY cost back to the customer and then some. I used to have DSL with them. They got to charge all of the Cell Band taxes into my cost, including 911 sur-charges. $40.00 for DSL 1mbs / 256kbs data line. This is for the 1 -3 mbs plan. Why do I get charged a 911 sur-charge fee for a DSL line? = phone carrier. As a Telephone Carrier they receive a huge amount of taxes and regulation fees which All get passed to the customer. Plus Verizon's xtra fees.

Comcast is a ISP and as such they are not taxed as a telephone carrier. Taxes are Far far fewer. That is why even FIOS gets nickel and dimed to death.

I now have comcast. There is only 1 tax in addition to my regular bill. I pay $45 for 20mbs / 2mbs. No contract, unlimited data.

As far as Mobile broadband. I'd argue because the US Government offers free area broadband to isolated and economically poor areas, through an application bid process, the Internet is now a necessary to exist in today's world.
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The internet as it is now would never of been able to propagate without the telephone. It was a precursor that allowed the same "instant communication" as we have today. Just based off of essential functionality, if the internet would go, so would the infrastructure.

You don't get to kill the data transmission method while keeping the backbone of said transmission method. Since we are talking about hypothetical situations, I reject your reality and substitute my own.

Probably don't need the internet backbone to use a telephone in said hypothetical scenario, Lets say a giant EMP wipes out the internet its gone caput dead, Kazooey gone, Most civilised countries i would say (And i shall use mine as an example) didn't rip out the copper cables for the original telephone system when they laid fibre down, A it's cheaper to leave it there B It's easier to dig on the other side of the street and C people are lazy, Australia is just laying fibre on the other side of the road in an almost literal fashion instead of ripping up the old network


so in said hypothetical situation, you'd just need to give it some TLC and make new switchboards, BAM telephones are back, 100 year old tech doesn't go away just because something newer dies. tongue.gif
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After switching to Verizon from Sprint, all I have to say that it takes a lot of effort to use more than 1gb of data.

Lets say I listen to podcasts. The average podcast is 60mb in size. I listen to these 1 a day and download them directly to my phone. That's easily 1.8 Gb, and I haven't even included random web browsing, the occasional funny video or soundtrack I want to listen to on Youtube, etc.
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