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Well if you are going to call me out then i guess i shall call you out too, It is a luxury item and that's that, You can find employment WITHOUT the use of the internet, The last FIVE jobs i've gone through all applied in there in person no internet contact i walked in with me resume (because thats what real grownups do when they want a job they go and FIND ONE IN PERSON) and said this is who i am give me a job, Because if you aren't ignorant or stupid you'll get the job 9 days out of 10.


Shelter is a NEED, Internet and MOBILE Broadband at that is not.


This has to be the most sheltered and un-knowledgeable post i have ever seen
OCN forum ignore certainly gotten a lot of use in the last week.

Funny thing about that , many companies today will only accept job applications via the internet.
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Funny thing about that , many companies today will only accept job applications via the internet.

And i've never found one, so clearly there are more companies that don't require online only applications or australia is just that better then everywhere else, Typicly jobs that no-one wants to do? Recycling, Waste disposal, Public services, Won't turn away anyone and have simplistic application methods then again what would i know, I sift through rubbish for 38 dollars an hour.
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Verizon is indeed horrible. Example they pass on EVERY cost back to the customer and then some. I used to have DSL with them. They got to charge all of the Cell Band taxes into my cost, including 911 sur-charges. $40.00 for DSL 1mbs / 256kbs data line. This is for the 1 -3 mbs plan. Why do I get charged a 911 sur-charge fee for a DSL line? = phone carrier. As a Telephone Carrier they receive a huge amount of taxes and regulation fees which All get passed to the customer. Plus Verizon's xtra fees.

Comcast is a ISP and as such they are not taxed as a telephone carrier. Taxes are Far far fewer. That is why even FIOS gets nickel and dimed to death.

I now have comcast. There is only 1 tax in addition to my regular bill. I pay $45 for 20mbs / 2mbs. No contract, unlimited data.

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And that, my friends, is how free market capitalism works. Don't like one company, switch to another.

Having said that, I will say, that I don't see a problem with Verizon passing on all their fees directly to the customer. Sure it infuriates the customer seeing all these hidden fees that the Federal, State, and Local governments charge for everything under the sun and the moon. To me, that is a good thing. Hidden fees help cause the complacency that was in the telephone bill for 108 years to pay for the Spanish American War. Maybe the more people actually see all these hidden fees, the more they will question the people who are imposing them on Verizon (and ultimately YOU) and they will stop.

Feds cut off phone tax after 108 years
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The Treasury Department said Thursday that it will no longer collect a 3% federal excise tax on long-distance calls and would refund about $15 billion to taxpayers.

The tax was imposed in 1898 to help pay for the Spanish-American War. It was designed as a tax on wealthy Americans, back when phone service was considered a luxury.

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Phone companies hailed the move. "This is a good first step in alleviating consumers' telephone tax burden, which currently accounts for more than 18% of the average bill," Verizon Vice President Tom Tauke said.
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Probably don't need the internet backbone to use a telephone in said hypothetical scenario, Lets say a giant EMP wipes out the internet its gone caput dead, Kazooey gone, Most civilised countries i would say (And i shall use mine as an example) didn't rip out the copper cables for the original telephone system when they laid fibre down, A it's cheaper to leave it there B It's easier to dig on the other side of the street and C people are lazy, Australia is just laying fibre on the other side of the road in an almost literal fashion instead of ripping up the old network


so in said hypothetical situation, you'd just need to give it some TLC and make new switchboards, BAM telephones are back, 100 year old tech doesn't go away just because something newer dies. tongue.gif
...world is not that simple. Have you ever worked on a massive IT project?

The wiring in the ground is only one aspect of a network. How do you make new switchboards? How do you make a new switchboard that will work with every other one?

A real world example of "dead" tech.... nuclear weapons. There is a concern in the US that there will be a knowledge gap in nuclear weapon design in a few years. There haven't been any new major projects in decades so the retiring/dying developers have not passed their knowledge on to younger generations. Manuals, documentation, and concepts will only get you so far. You don't just go out and build complex tech.




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And i've never found one, so clearly there are more companies that don't require online only applications or australia is just that better then everywhere else, Typicly jobs that no-one wants to do? Recycling, Waste disposal, Public services, Won't turn away anyone and have simplistic application methods then again what would i know, I sift through rubbish for 38 dollars an hour.
I guess you don't work in tech or finance?
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Probably don't need the internet backbone to use a telephone in said hypothetical scenario, Lets say a giant EMP wipes out the internet its gone caput dead, Kazooey gone, Most civilised countries i would say (And i shall use mine as an example) didn't rip out the copper cables for the original telephone system when they laid fibre down, A it's cheaper to leave it there B It's easier to dig on the other side of the street and C people are lazy, Australia is just laying fibre on the other side of the road in an almost literal fashion instead of ripping up the old network


so in said hypothetical situation, you'd just need to give it some TLC and make new switchboards, BAM telephones are back, 100 year old tech doesn't go away just because something newer dies. tongue.gif

Right tongue.gif

But hypothetically, that's still not removing the internet tongue.gif. That's a blackout that will be fixed like everything else (quickly too).

Our hypotheticals don't match lachen.gif

I'll postulate that if the internet and it's infrastructure magically* disappears, it will take more than a generation to roll out the same type of structure, at least our postal system would be nice and profitable for a while. Pony Express FTW!

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I pay for coverage and quality of service. The other carriers in my area are complete crap compared to Verizon Wireless in terms of call quality and speed.
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...world is not that simple. Have you ever worked on a massive IT project?

The wiring in the ground is only one aspect of a network. How do you make new switchboards? How do you make a new switchboard that will work with every other one?

A real world example of "dead" tech.... nuclear weapons. There is a concern in the US that there will be a knowledge gap in nuclear weapon design in a few years. There haven't been any new major projects in decades so the retiring/dying developers have not passed their knowledge on to younger generations. Manuals, documentation, and concepts will only get you so far. You don't just go out and build complex tech.
I guess you don't work in tech or finance?

Used to work in tech, Didn't require online applications for that, infact i'd say as an educated guess maybe 5% of jobs in australia outside of pizzahut and mcdonalds require an online application, It's not that common tbh


But as of right now i feel we are drifting offtopic.
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...world is not that simple. Have you ever worked on a massive IT project?

The wiring in the ground is only one aspect of a network. How do you make new switchboards? How do you make a new switchboard that will work with every other one?

Not to mention a ton of other issues like EPA regulations, dealing with "Right of ways", Unions, Building codes, Historical Societies ... the list goes on and on.

My brother-in-law works in the fiber division of Verizon and he has told me horror stories about all the insane regulations from 20+ agencies they often have to deal with just to pull fiber down the road to a new development, especially in existing communities that have been around for a couple hundred years.

The cost of fiber is cheap compared to dealing with all those agencies and buying/leasing space.
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Used to work in tech, Didn't require online applications for that, infact i'd say as an educated guess maybe 5% of jobs in australia outside of pizzahut and mcdonalds require an online application, It's not that common tbh


But as of right now i feel we are drifting offtopic.
You might want to go back and check since online applications is the standard now. (Or at least a digital copy).

HR depts of any large company store digital copies of all resumes and use mining software to filter and select resumes. People rarely read generally submitted resumes in the first place.... and now even less so.

If you take a resume writing class, this point should have been made. You need to make sure your resume is machine readable. If you submit a paper resume, you want to include a digital one as well. This is because OCR is not perfect when they end up scanning any paper resume anyways.

EDIT: The software is called "applicant tracker system" (ATS).
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Not to mention a ton of other issues like EPA regulations, dealing with "Right of ways", Unions, Building codes, Historical Societies ... the list goes on and on.

My brother-in-law works in the fiber division of Verizon and he has told me horror stories about all the insane regulations from 20+ agencies they often have to deal with just to pull fiber down the road to a new development, especially in existing communities that have been around for a couple hundred years.

The cost of fiber is cheap compared to dealing with all those agencies and buying/leasing space.
I have two friends at Verizon too.... one knew actually knew that Verizon had already laid the cable to her neighborhood years ago but still didn't offer service to the area. Very odd.
Edited by DuckieHo - 1/24/13 at 8:56am
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Except, it's not a free market.

It's an natural monopoly and currently an oligopoly. The supplier sets prices... not the demand-side. Since infrastructure-building is HIGHLY capital-intensive and there is limited benefit in additional infrastructure within an area, it tends to be a natural monopoly.

Users do have the right to complain... because it's given right in the US. Furthermore, users should complain and the government may have to intervene if there an abuse of market share.

Those reading this comment that live in USA can make one clear analogy. Railroad magnates from 1860-early 1900's. That is what our current Cell and internet providers are. DuckieHo has nailed it. It is an extreme few controlling it for the many, that is the oligopoly. They have complete say in how/when it is created, maintained and upgraded or even downgraded. The masses are quite literally at their mercy.
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