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Enlighten me.
The 4300 is a gimped chip and it's Zambezi equivalent ran faster. Even then, it only really beats an Ivy i3 when OC'ed to the nines.

Intel HD 4000 is more than enough for 90% of computer users. The top five percent need a dedicated GPU. That leaves the five percent in the middle who don't quite need to fork out money on a GPU yet need more than standard integrated. It's a tiny niche that AMD is rapidly saturating (and good for them! Finding an untapped market and creating a quality product for it is excellent business sense.)

Yes, it DOES offer great bang for the buck. There's no way a Celeron + cheap discrete card can match the value of Richland or Trinity for that matter. I'm just saying that you are badly limiting yourself with an FM2 board because you shoot yourself in the foot for future upgrades. I mean, MAYBE Richland's successor will fit your board and MAYBE you can do a bios update and MAYBE it'll be an appreciable upgrade, but that's all a maybe.

At least with an AM3+ board and a cheap Phenom, you know you've got a bit of headroom to play with in the realm of the rest of the FX chips. Or a Celeron G530, which games decently well and a nice LGA 1155 board? Hellooooooo! Can you say upgrade room? All the way to a 3770k if you want.

If you buy an A10-6800k..... that's it. You're at the top. The next gen may offer a bit of a performance increase but....even then. Only maybe.
Anands easy cpu comparison puts the i3 and a10 about on par. Take away the game results (based on discrete, no point with apu) and they pretty much equal before you overclock.
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/675?vs=677
You can't expect a socket (am3+) with no IGP or shared memory access for the IGP to support these apu's, hence the FM socket exists.
Kaveri is supposed to be fm2 - 28 nm, steamroller cores, GCN cores, HSA ready. How could that not be an upgrade?
Most people who buy or build lower end chips (fx-4xx0, i3/i5 locked) don't have the budget to do an upgrade within a meaningful time period, APUs even more so, though the chance for someone with an a6/a8 to upgrade to higher kaveri a while after release would give a whole lot of bang for buck if prices are similar to trinity.
Edited by Yeroon - 1/24/13 at 8:49am
post #12 of 43
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Enlighten me.
The 4300 is a gimped chip and it's Zambezi equivalent ran faster. Even then, it only really beats an Ivy i3 when OC'ed to the nines.

Intel HD 4000 is more than enough for 90% of computer users. The top five percent need a dedicated GPU. That leaves the five percent in the middle who don't quite need to fork out money on a GPU yet need more than standard integrated. It's a tiny niche that AMD is rapidly saturating (and good for them! Finding an untapped market and creating a quality product for it is excellent business sense.)

Yes, it DOES offer great bang for the buck. There's no way a Celeron + cheap discrete card can match the value of Richland or Trinity for that matter. I'm just saying that you are badly limiting yourself with an FM2 board because you shoot yourself in the foot for future upgrades. I mean, MAYBE Richland's successor will fit your board and MAYBE you can do a bios update and MAYBE it'll be an appreciable upgrade, but that's all a maybe.

At least with an AM3+ board and a cheap Phenom, you know you've got a bit of headroom to play with in the realm of the rest of the FX chips. Or a Celeron G530, which games decently well and a nice LGA 1155 board? Hellooooooo! Can you say upgrade room? All the way to a 3770k if you want.

If you buy an A10-6800k..... that's it. You're at the top. The next gen may offer a bit of a performance increase but....even then. Only maybe.

you have AT LEAST 2 years with FM2+ socket.. AT LEAST announced by AMD

just watch the roadmap and you will see all the upgrades you can go in that time; hell, AMD its going to release steamroller+GCN in APUS first... THEN desktop cpus based on steamroller arch


yea its a dead end rolleyes.gif
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you have AT LEAST 2 years with FM2+ socket.. AT LEAST announced by AMD

just watch the roadmap and you will see all the upgrades you can go in that time; hell, AMD its going to release steamroller+GCN in APUS first... THEN desktop cpus based on steamroller arch


yea its a dead end rolleyes.gif

In a sense, every desktop socket that has ever been made is a dead end in one way or another, or soon will be. My issue is, for the builder on a budget, I think you'll end up spending more by buying into FM2 and having to replace a CPU and mobo every 2-3 years as opposed to hanging onto a mobo for 5 years and getting more high performance options during that time.

Clearly, we see the APU in a different light, and really that's fine. smile.gif I'm just a bit miffed at the decision to keep it at 2 modules.
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In a sense, every desktop socket that has ever been made is a dead end in one way or another, or soon will be. My issue is, for the builder on a budget, I think you'll end up spending more by buying into FM2 and having to replace a CPU and mobo every 2-3 years as opposed to hanging onto a mobo for 5 years and getting more high performance options during that time.

Clearly, we see the APU in a different light, and really that's fine. smile.gif I'm just a bit miffed at the decision to keep it at 2 modules.

not if you go the INTEL route.. every arch > 2 years max > new socket > no more upgrades period

and AMD.. i dont think that in the future you can have a socket for 5 years > no more upgrades
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not if you go the INTEL route.. every arch > 2 years max > new socket > no more upgrades period

and AMD.. i dont think that in the future you can have a socket for 5 years > no more upgrades

Correct, but that assumes that every time an architecture comes out you have to immediately upgrade. There are those still rocking Q6600's and doing just fine with them in gaming.

I would be willing to bet that a Sandy Bridge 2500k rig built two years ago will still be able to max games three years from now, giving it a five year lifespan. Or, the user could've gotten a Pentium G850 which is more than enough for most games.

I do NOT think that a Trinity APU can say the same even with a discrete GPU.
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In a sense, every desktop socket that has ever been made is a dead end in one way or another, or soon will be. My issue is, for the builder on a budget, I think you'll end up spending more by buying into FM2 and having to replace a CPU and mobo every 2-3 years as opposed to hanging onto a mobo for 5 years and getting more high performance options during that time.

Clearly, we see the APU in a different light, and really that's fine. smile.gif I'm just a bit miffed at the decision to keep it at 2 modules.

FM socket is a budget socket, they aren't going to get replaced every 2-3 years to stay current. Nor does someone with a budget 1155/56 build just find a NOS higher chip, they build with whats new.

You cant fit much more then 2 modules + 384 gpu cores on a budget chip for power, yield and price reasons. The die size gets too big, which means lower yields, means higher price, and takes it out of the budget category.

You clearly have little understanding of where an APU actually sits in the market. And the lack of upgrading thats actually necessary nowadays. An a10-trinity build for the average not ocn user will probably last 5+ years. Its been said here many times OCN does not represent the typical computer user.

I want to see how AMD does APU + ddr4 socket, my guess is new socket, which would be understandable considering the shift from bus to point to point for ddr4.
Edited by Yeroon - 1/24/13 at 9:31am
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FM socket is a budget socket, they aren't going to get replaced every 2-3 years to stay current. Nor does someone with a budget 1155/56 build just find a NOS higher chip, they build with whats new.

You cant fit much more then 2 modules + 384 gpu cores on a budget chip for power, yield and price reasons. The die size gets too big, which means lower yields, means higher price, and takes it out of the budget category.

You clearly have little understanding of where an APU actually sits in the market. And the lack of upgrading thats actually necessary nowadays. An a10-trinity build for the average not ocn user will probably last 5+ years. Its been said here many times OCN does not represent the typical computer user.

I want to see how AMD does APU + ddr4 socket, my guess is new socket, which would be understandable considering the shift from bus to point to point for ddr4.

I'm sorry, the rest of your post was simply unreadable due to the sheer arrogance of that statement. thumbsdownsmileyanim.gif
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Yay an APU with GCN.
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so the new a10-6800k will use a HD 8670D, anyone know which card is equivalent ?
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