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The internet kills me sometimes.

How many of you have every designed a network? Probably most. It's a safe guess most of you have personally setup your LAN. NIC cards, routers, modems, etc., you've all done it.

How many of you have ever designed a major network? Like per-say the one Sony used/uses to store all of the data? The numbers are starting to drop.

How many of you have ever designed a major network and implemented security measures that insure no one could ever breach it? If you say yes, you don't even deserve access to the internet.
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I kinda feel they should have a strike system.

1st hacking strike = 5 years

2nd hacking strike = 15 years

3rd hacking strike = life/maybe death if enough people effected.

 

 

I feel that some people do not realize that peoples life's can be ruined by these scum.

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nah, everytime someone do something bad the punishment should be death, that will teach everyone.
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I feel almost anyone should have a chance to redeem themselves. With the exception of higher crimes.

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post #35 of 41
Cleaned and reopened. Let us get back on topic shall we?
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Originally Posted by 5entinel View Post

Cleaned and reopened. Let us get back on topic shall we?

Agreed!
post #37 of 41
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Originally Posted by cdoublejj View Post

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Originally Posted by XNine View Post

Yeah, don't go after the people who hacked it and let loose all of that information on the internet. That will solve the problem. rolleyes.gif

it's kind like this, say you have a fast food restraunt. For the most part they are okay but, do some stuff wrong, they don't have strict management or good employee training for stuff like food safety.

So on day big Joe who is new uses the bathroom with out washing afterwards then gets back on grill and starts handling food lik raw and chicken and raw beef with out gloves or with out washing and one thing leads to another and customers get sick .

Who gets in trouble and gets fined? Sure as heck isn't Big Joe, no it's the store because food safety is the store's responsibility.

So the health departments finds out and fines them and shuts them down till they get their stuff prioritized and employees trained. In this case the PSN hackers are Big Joe and Sony is the store. In order to do stuff like credit and debit transactions as a business you are held accountable to meet certain security regulations like PCI compliance, not unlike food safety. If every one get sicks from your food (getting hacked and loosing info) and it's found out you were not operating with in safety regulations, your buttox gets fined.

Has Sony had a MORE secure network this all COULD have been prevented but, with all things there is no perfect security or safety.


Your analogy is cute, but doesn't fit. It wasn't employees of Sony who broke in and breached it. It was anon/lulzsec tards. So, your analogy would have been more accurate if you were to say: "Some douchebag walked in behind the counter, took customer credit cards while they weren't looking, and walked out with them."

Sure, Sony is to blame for improper security, but the blame mostly lies on the thieves.
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Originally Posted by XNine View Post

Sure, Sony is to blame for improper security, but the blame mostly lies on the thieves.

Very true, but let's face it, these days, people love to blame "faceless corporations" rather than some person who may or may not have had a rough childhood. wink.gif

Besides, it's a lot easier to actually get money from a corporation than from a thief, and that is really what much of this is about.


But sticking with your counter annalogy, maybe Sony should have put a better lock on the door to the counter where the credit cards are processed (since they keep that information month after month, unlike in a fast food store) and not stored much of the information in "plain text" like they did.

http://www.networkworld.com/news/2011/042811-sony-response.html
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The plaintext data includes name, address, email address, birth date, PlayStation Network/Qriocity password and login, and PSN online ID, Sony says.

Let's face it, regardless if the CC info was encrypted or not, keeping all that other personal information in "plain text" is just beyond silly ... especially for a network that has been hacked many times before.
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Originally Posted by cdoublejj View Post

it's kind like this, say you have a fast food restraunt. For the most part they are okay but, do some stuff wrong, they don't have strict management or good employee training for stuff like food safety.

So on day big Joe who is new uses the bathroom with out washing afterwards then gets back on grill and starts handling food lik raw and chicken and raw beef with out gloves or with out washing and one thing leads to another and customers get sick .

Who gets in trouble and gets fined? Sure as heck isn't Big Joe, no it's the store because food safety is the store's responsibility.

So the health departments finds out and fines them and shuts them down till they get their stuff prioritized and employees trained. In this case the PSN hackers are Big Joe and Sony is the store. In order to do stuff like credit and debit transactions as a business you are held accountable to meet certain security regulations like PCI compliance, not unlike food safety. If every one get sicks from your food (getting hacked and loosing info) and it's found out you were not operating with in safety regulations, your buttox gets fined.

Has Sony had a MORE secure network this all COULD have been prevented but, with all things there is no perfect security or safety.

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Originally Posted by ghostrider85 View Post

so, consumers got hacked and their money taken away, now government sues sony and they get the money,
Quote:
Originally Posted by cdoublejj View Post

it's kind like this, say you have a fast food restraunt. For the most part they are okay but, do some stuff wrong, they don't have strict management or good employee training for stuff like food safety.

So on day big Joe who is new uses the bathroom with out washing afterwards then gets back on grill and starts handling food lik raw and chicken and raw beef with out gloves or with out washing and one thing leads to another and customers get sick .

Who gets in trouble and gets fined? Sure as heck isn't Big Joe, no it's the store because food safety is the store's responsibility.

So the health departments finds out and fines them and shuts them down till they get their stuff prioritized and employees trained. In this case the PSN hackers are Big Joe and Sony is the store. In order to do stuff like credit and debit transactions as a business you are held accountable to meet certain security regulations like PCI compliance, not unlike food safety. If every one get sicks from your food (getting hacked and loosing info) and it's found out you were not operating with in safety regulations, your buttox gets fined.

Has Sony had a MORE secure network this all COULD have been prevented but, with all things there is no perfect security or safety.

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Originally Posted by ghostrider85 View Post

so, consumers got hacked and their money taken away, now government sues sony and they get the money,

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Originally Posted by 47 Knucklehead View Post

Pretty much. biggrin.gif

But the people who actually make out in all of this ... win or lose ... the lawyers.

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Originally Posted by Tokkan View Post

Exactly the point I was trying to make...
And not trying to defend Sony or anything, but when this happened I received an e-mail from Sony telling me that there was a Security breach and that my personal Info might've been accessed.
My reaction to this? Cancel the card that was associated with PSN and get a new one.
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Originally Posted by Search View Post

The internet kills me sometimes.

How many of you have every designed a network? Probably most. It's a safe guess most of you have personally setup your LAN. NIC cards, routers, modems, etc., you've all done it.

How many of you have ever designed a major network? Like per-say the one Sony used/uses to store all of the data? The numbers are starting to drop.

How many of you have ever designed a major network and implemented security measures that insure no one could ever breach it? If you say yes, you don't even deserve access to the internet.

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Originally Posted by cdoublejj View Post

it's kind like this, say you have a fast food restraunt. For the most part they are okay but, do some stuff wrong, they don't have strict management or good employee training for stuff like food safety.

So on day big Joe who is new uses the bathroom with out washing afterwards then gets back on grill and starts handling food lik raw and chicken and raw beef with out gloves or with out washing and one thing leads to another and customers get sick .

Who gets in trouble and gets fined? Sure as heck isn't Big Joe, no it's the store because food safety is the store's responsibility.

So the health departments finds out and fines them and shuts them down till they get their stuff prioritized and employees trained. In this case the PSN hackers are Big Joe and Sony is the store. In order to do stuff like credit and debit transactions as a business you are held accountable to meet certain security regulations like PCI compliance, not unlike food safety. If every one get sicks from your food (getting hacked and loosing info) and it's found out you were not operating with in safety regulations, your buttox gets fined.

Has Sony had a MORE secure network this all COULD have been prevented but, with all things there is no perfect security or safety.

Quote:
Originally Posted by ghostrider85 View Post

so, consumers got hacked and their money taken away, now government sues sony and they get the money,

Quote:
Originally Posted by 47 Knucklehead View Post

Pretty much. biggrin.gif

But the people who actually make out in all of this ... win or lose ... the lawyers.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tokkan View Post

Exactly the point I was trying to make...
And not trying to defend Sony or anything, but when this happened I received an e-mail from Sony telling me that there was a Security breach and that my personal Info might've been accessed.
My reaction to this? Cancel the card that was associated with PSN and get a new one.

not one of you read nor do any of you understands.
Quote:
Originally Posted by 47 Knucklehead View Post

Pretty much. biggrin.gif

But the people who actually make out in all of this ... win or lose ... the lawyers.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tokkan View Post

Exactly the point I was trying to make...
And not trying to defend Sony or anything, but when this happened I received an e-mail from Sony telling me that there was a Security breach and that my personal Info might've been accessed.
My reaction to this? Cancel the card that was associated with PSN and get a new one.

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Originally Posted by XNine View Post

Your analogy is cute, but doesn't fit. It wasn't employees of Sony who broke in and breached it. It was anon/lulzsec tards. So, your analogy would have been more accurate if you were to say: "Some douchebag walked in behind the counter, took customer credit cards while they weren't looking, and walked out with them."

Sure, Sony is to blame for improper security, but the blame mostly lies on the thieves.

i never said it was the employees. you response analogy is wrong. Sony never owned up to required security regulation, hacked or not. That's why they are being FINED. On the other hand you are very correct they broke the law.

The way you think things should be, to be fair Sony should be fined and the hackers arrested. Both parties are at fault, Though it wasn't Sony's fault they got hacked it was there fault for not maintaining proper security compliance, (fault).
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not one of you read nor do any of you understands.


i never said it was the employees. you response analogy is wrong. Sony never owned up to required security regulation, hacked or not. That's why they are being FINED. On the other hand you are very correct they broke the law.

The way you think things should be, to be fair Sony should be fined and the hackers arrested. Both parties are at fault, Though it wasn't Sony's fault they got hacked it was there fault for not maintaining proper security compliance, (fault).

What a hell of a mess ya did there mate...
Some of those comments were quoted twice and I fail to understand why I got quoted... Is any of what you said any sort of answer to what I said?
I don't think it is but just to clear it out, I got e-mailed by Sony way before it was news that there was a security breach and that data might have been accessed.
And the 1st news I saw about it was an actual screenshot of the e-mail sent by Sony.
So a user could take action to secure their card info. That is all.
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