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Fine, let's reflect on Windows 8 with respect to performance ... it boots up faster than Windows 7 (I've said that about a million times). For those of us who have Windows 7 and an SSD, that is about 5-6 seconds faster, so big deal. When you factor in that some of us only boot up once every week or so, any boot time savings that Windows 8 has is completely lost (like I've said before).

As far as how much faster Windows 8 is over Windows 7, benchmark after benchmark as proven that to be at best, a wash. In many benchmarks, the difference is only 1-2FPS, some games faster on Windows 7, some on Windows 8. HARDLY worth the time it takes in install a Windows 8 upgrade or full install and certainly not worth the $15, $40, or soon to be $200 price of Windows 8.

As far as horrible sales, that has been hashed to infinity. Windows 8 sales have been horrible and even Microsoft admits it. Now we are on to "The Blame Game" (ie this thread) and guess what? Microsoft is busy trying to blame everyone but themselves.

If Windows 8 was so great, there would be no need to blame ANYONE, because everyone would be using it. So I guess there is another example of why Windows 8 adoption is as report after report has shown ... horrible.

Can you show me a quote from MS that their sales have been horrible? Where have you seen Microsoft admit as you say?

The only ones I can find are of Microsoft saying that it sold either on par with Windows 7, and number of upgrades/copies sold for given periods.

Where did Microsoft say their sales were horrible?


Can you also show me the quote from this article where Microsoft either:

A) Say Windows 8 crash landed

or

B) Say that the fault Is solely on OEMs


The lack of actual quotes from Microsoft on that matter and the fact that the article title was made up by the author, but asserted as a direct from MS, isn't proof.


If Windows 8 was so great, everybody would be using it? That's quite the simple (and false) logic tbh.
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The same drivers for Windows 7 are used for Windows 8 wth.gif

Not true. They come in the same package, but the actual device drivers are different.
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Game speeds and FPS are irrelevant at this point in Windows 8's lifetime.

Ah, so even though this is OCN, where, how did you phrase it ... "OCN is all about; Pursuit of Performance." ... now that I point out that the FPS difference isn't there, now suddenly "Game speeds and FPS are irrelevant". Seriously?

Sounds like you can't make up your mind as to what you want.

I tell you what. How about we both do each other a favor and I put you on the "Block Member" list and you lower your blood pressure and add me to yours. Deal?
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Ah, so even though this is OCN, where, how did you phrase it ... "OCN is all about; Pursuit of Performance." ... now that I point out that the FPS difference isn't there, now suddenly "Game speeds and FPS are irrelevant". Seriously?

Sounds like you can't make up your mind as to what you want.

I tell you what. How about we both do each other a favor and I put you on the "Block Member" list and you lower your blood pressure and add me to yours. Deal?

Context, for crying out loud. It's COMMON KNOWLEDGE that a new OS needs mature drivers to shine. Especially in games.

That's what I get for trying, I guess....
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Fine, let's reflect on Windows 8 with respect to performance ... it boots up faster than Windows 7 (I've said that about a million times). For those of us who have Windows 7 and an SSD, that is about 5-6 seconds faster, so big deal. When you factor in that some of us only boot up once every week or so, any boot time savings that Windows 8 has is completely lost (like I've said before).

As far as how much faster Windows 8 is over Windows 7, benchmark after benchmark as proven that to be at best, a wash. In many benchmarks, the difference is only 1-2FPS, some games faster on Windows 7, some on Windows 8. HARDLY worth the time it takes in install a Windows 8 upgrade or full install and certainly not worth the $15, $40, or soon to be $200 price of Windows 8.

As far as horrible sales, that has been hashed to infinity. Windows 8 sales have been horrible and even Microsoft admits it. Now we are on to "The Blame Game" (ie this thread) and guess what? Microsoft is busy trying to blame everyone but themselves.

If Windows 8 was so great, there would be no need to blame ANYONE, because everyone would be using it. So I guess there is another example of why Windows 8 adoption is as report after report has shown ... horrible.

Not sure about anybody else but I did a fresh Win8 install on the Same Force 3 SSD that I had my Win7 install on and my Win8 boot times are now at least 30-45 seconds faster than they were on Win7. Weirdly it seems like it takes less time for my RIVE to POST now than it used to as well though I can't figure out how that could be. Literally from pressing the power button to the login screen is now around 10 secs...
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Can you show me a quote from MS that their sales have been horrible? Where have you seen Microsoft admit as you say?

The only ones I can find are of Microsoft saying that it sold either on par with Windows 7, and number of upgrades/copies sold for given periods.

Where did Microsoft say their sales were horrible?


Can you also show me the quote from this article where Microsoft either:

A) Say Windows 8 crash landed

or

B) Say that the fault Is solely on OEMs


The lack of actual quotes from Microsoft on that matter and the fact that the article title was made up by the author, but asserted as a direct from MS, isn't proof.


If Windows 8 was so great, everybody would be using it? That's quite the simple (and false) logic tbh.

If the Register published their "sources" and "insiders", they wouldn't remain "sources" and "insiders" for very long. And besides, you'd write them off anyway, regardless.
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Not sure about anybody else but I did a fresh Win8 install on the Same Force 3 SSD that I had my Win7 install on and my Win8 boot times are now at least 30-45 seconds faster than they were on Win7. Weirdly it seems like it takes less time for my RIVE to POST now than it used to as well though I can't figure out how that could be. Literally from pressing the power button to the login screen is now around 10 secs...

Try doing a fresh install of Windows 7 -AND- a fresh install of Windows 8.

That is part of the problem that people see when they go from Windows 7 to Windows 8. They have been running Windows 7 for a year or two since they last installed it, and invariably the longer you run an OS, the slower it gets. That is why some people do a periodic reformat and reinstall of their OS, to speed things up. I'm not saying this is the case with you, but maybe it is.

Also, I should have mentioned that I did a couple of basic Windows 7 tweaks to get my boot time to 13 seconds, so it isn't completely stock, but it is fully functional. Windows 8 does do a good job of this, without having to "tweak" things. But to be honest, it only takes like 5 minutes to tweak Windows 7, so why not?
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Closed for review...Another thread about microsoft that turns sour once more. When is this going to stop?
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