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I'm very impressed. May get one and build a file server in a month or so.
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I'm very impressed. May get one and build a file server in a month or so.

But wouldn't you want the lowest power consumption possible for a 24/7 file server? That might possibly be the ONLY time I care about the CPU power consumption!
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Look at this way. What is $100 Difference if you going to waist it on Power Consumption + when you spend $800 + in GPUs. In this test it just shows if the game is GPU bound they are about the same, If CPU bound the 3770K pull ahead.
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I don't see how comparing a $330 CPU to a $200 CPU is fair. Also, almost every instance they showed was CPU/thread bound in some way, which means there wasn't a hope in hell of the FX 8350 getting to use all 8 of its cores. Couple that with the fact that the i7 3770k already has 8 threads feeding 4 cores, and you get a "duh" moment with this article: Of course the 3770k won. Did anyone actually believe something else was going to happen?

In addition to that, they are overclocking both chips to the same speed, 4.4GHz in this case. And they are considering that fair. Here is a fact: Difference CPU architectures need difference clock speeds in order to be considered equal. Clocking two completely different chips to the same speed, will always give one or the other an advantage. That method of testing is fine, as long as you are only testing a single architecture. But otherwise, it is just a way to create a biased review.

I used to have so much respect for TH. Back around 2000 I was their biggest fan, but they've soo gone downhill since then. Back then they didn't care which cpu was faster, intel or amd. They just reported the facts, without any slant.
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post #15 of 595
So the FX clearly loses in metro, F1, skyrim and ties in BF3 and AVP.

Not really surprised, I do hope that people notice the other games as well, not just those posted in the OP.
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In addition to that, they are overclocking both chips to the same speed, 4.4GHz in this case. And they are considering that fair. Here is a fact: Difference CPU architectures need difference clock speeds in order to be considered equal. Clocking two completely different chips to the same speed, will always give one or the other an advantage. That method of testing is fine, as long as you are only testing a single architecture. But otherwise, it is just a way to create a biased review.

I used to have so much respect for TH. Back around 2000 I was their biggest fan, but they've soo gone downhill since then. Back then they didn't care which cpu was faster, intel or amd. They just reported the facts, without any slant.

Clocking them to the same clock speed is just fine if they have similar OC ceilings. In this case the FX should probably be given an extra 100mhz or something (they clock a bit higher) but in the end that wouldn't change the results.
 
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So the FX clearly loses in metro, F1, skyrim and ties in BF3 and AVP.

Not really surprised, I do hope that people notice the other games as well, not just those posted in the OP.

I think they did not bother. Also BF3 is SP which mean .... and AVP scales even with 4 cards so even that ....
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post #17 of 595
So ridiculously biased. Wow. Where to begin? The fact that he's overclocking one much higher than stock and just barely overclocks the 8350 by raising the multiplier by 1. Not only that, he completely disregards the fact that the 3770k is in an entirely different price range. (More than 100$ more).

Then only looking at gaming performance, and again refusing to tell the masses vital information.

I'm not claiming the 3770k isn't better than the 8350 at gaming, or faster at most tasks. But this is just horrible, subjective journalism.
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So ridiculously biased. Wow. Where to begin? The fact that he's overclocking one much higher than stock and just barely overclocks the 8350 by raising the multiplier by 1. Not only that, he completely disregards the fact that the 3770k is in an entirely different price range. (More than 100$ more).

Then only looking at gaming performance, and again refusing to tell the masses vital information.

I'm not claiming the 3770k isn't better than the 8350 at gaming, or faster at most tasks. But this is just horrible, subjective journalism.

It's a gaming review,
both chips OC about the same, FX just a bit higher, but not enough to really make a difference (so clocking them to the same frequency is just fair fair
there are price/perf graphs
 
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So ridiculously biased. Wow. Where to begin? The fact that he's overclocking one much higher than stock and just barely overclocks the 8350 by raising the multiplier by 1. Not only that, he completely disregards the fact that the 3770k is in an entirely different price range. (More than 100$ more).

Then only looking at gaming performance, and again refusing to tell the masses vital information.

I'm not claiming the 3770k isn't better than the 8350 at gaming, or faster at most tasks. But this is just horrible, subjective journalism.

3570K would have scored similar to 3770K in all those games. 3770K is stock 3.9Ghz. 8350 does not OC that much more unless you have a Water Cooling Loop. They both are very similar OC. Extra 100-200Mhz will make no difference in results.
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I don't see how comparing a $330 CPU to a $200 CPU is fair. Also, almost every instance they showed was CPU/thread bound in some way, which means there wasn't a hope in hell of the FX 8350 getting to use all 8 of its cores. Couple that with the fact that the i7 3770k already has 8 threads feeding 4 cores, and you get a "duh" moment with this article: Of course the 3770k won. Did anyone actually believe something else was going to happen?

I maintain that in the future, the FX-8350 will end up being the better CPU. As of now, the i5 3570k and i7 3770k are faster on lightly threaded apps, which is the majority of programs on the market today. Even fewer games are heavily multi-threaded. So why did Tom's even put in the effort of telling us something that we already know? rolleyes.gif

Oh so now since the reviewer did what everyone else asked, I.E. overclocking the two processors to the same clock speed with the same voltage (a better clock for clock comparison), you have to put the prices up to the plate? rolleyes.gif Typical OCN response. (I kid. tongue.gif)

This is the same thing that everyone saw with the emergence of the Phenom II Deneb vs i7 Nehalem debates. Yes the i7 is better, but the FX line isn't that much slower if any. In games that use all the processing power of this chip, it's barely behind, if at all. tongue.gif
     
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