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Yeah... and this corroborates the hundreds of other benchmarks I have seen.

Again, Login has a magical FX or he is full of crap trying to sensationalize this overdone topic for the sake of youtube channel hits. I don't buy it.

Also did you notice that Natural Selection 2 (dual threaded game) surprisingly runs better on the FX even though the FX has terrible single threaded performance? Oh the lies Logan.... oh the lies.


Next up from Logan: The FX has better single threaded performance than the P2 series! All other reputable benchmark sites are WRONG!
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But we know it's not?

Are you trying to tell us that while AMD gets badly left in the dust with multi GPU setups and CPU bound games, intel can't handle a single GPU in GPU bound games? That makes absolutely no sense at all.

How exactly does AMD get left in the dust on multi GPU setups? That's a misconception, that two members on OCN already disproved. Not saying Intel's not better at it but an exaggeratory term like "getting left in the dust" is just dumb. Unless your talking 2011 chips then I am inclined to agree.

Everything aside, answer me this: Why is it you can buy a chip like a FX-6300 and play any game a 3770K can?
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But we know it's not?

Are you trying to tell us that while AMD gets badly left in the dust with multi GPU setups and CPU bound games, intel can't handle a single GPU in GPU bound games? That makes absolutely no sense at all.

I honestly don't get what you guys are talking about when you say there is this huge difference in performance with intel vs amd and multi gpu setups....

http://www.overclock.net/t/1235557/official-top-30-heaven-benchmark-3-0-scores

looks to me like red is doing fine with a 200 dollar amd processor that is holding it's own against intel processors that are 2x the cost of it. If it's a gpu bound game, then there should be little or no difference at all in which processor you choose. My "or maybe it was just slower" quote was simply a jab at the fact you are all scrambling desperately for reasons why it's not possible rather than entertaining the most obvious thought.
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But we know it's not?

Are you trying to tell us that while AMD gets badly left in the dust with multi GPU setups and CPU bound games, intel can't handle a single GPU in GPU bound games? That makes absolutely no sense at all.

Fixed

Link

Ohhhh....Logan's review. While funny, as someone who appreciates both sides, it kind of makes AMD look foolish.
While AMD isn't as bad as people make it out to be, it isn't as good as that review made it out to be. Troll video is Troll.
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The FX processor will do FINE when a game uses 4+ cores - why are AMD fans constantly bringing this up????

If a game uses 8 cores, like BF3, the FX series is actually a great buy. The problem is that 99.9999999% of games DO NOT. And therefore, they run like poo compared to the Intel equivalent. If all my games ran on 8 cores I would get the FX series no doubt - SLI/Xfire and all.

The fact of the matter is that Intels quads still dominate AMDs 8 cores. Just wait till Intel releases 6-8 core i5 and i7s. AMD will have to respond with even moar c0r3z unless they come up with a decent chip.
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But we know it's not?

Are you trying to tell us that while AMD gets badly left in the dust with multi GPU setups and CPU bound games, intel can't handle a single GPU in GPU bound games? That makes absolutely no sense at all.


http://www.legionhardware.com/articles_pages/cpu_scaling_with_the_radeon_hd_5970,1.html

seems like a familiars trend >.> ?
    
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I honestly don't get what you guys are talking about when you say there is this huge difference in performance with intel vs amd and multi gpu setups....

http://www.overclock.net/t/1235557/official-top-30-heaven-benchmark-3-0-scores

looks to me like red is doing fine with a 200 dollar amd processor that is holding it's own against intel processors that are 2x the cost of it. If it's a gpu bound game, then there should be little or no difference at all in which processor you choose. My "or maybe it was just slower" quote was simply a jab at the fact you are all scrambling desperately for reasons why it's not possible rather than entertaining the most obvious thought.

For me it looks like he has the absolute lowest 7970 quad fire score in a benchmark that's generally regarded as needing next to no CPU power.

45fps from the top. tms also ran the bench at the same clocks as red in the sabertooth pci-e 3.0 thread, results didn't surprise, he got about the same fps with three 7970s as red did with 4.
 
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How many cores does Heaven use? 4 max ?
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The FX processor will do FINE when a game uses 4+ cores - why are AMD fans constantly bringing this up????

If a game uses 8 cores, like BF3, the FX series is actually a great buy. The problem is that 99.9999999% of games DO NOT. And therefore, they run like poo compared to the Intel equivalent. If all my games ran on 8 cores I would get the FX series no doubt - SLI/Xfire and all.

The fact of the matter is that Intels quads still dominate AMDs 8 cores. Just wait till Intel releases 6-8 core i5 and i7s. AMD will have to respond with even moar c0r3z unless they come up with a decent chip.

But on that note, what people also fail to realize that games that are single threaded or lightly threaded are either old engines, or ports. Both of which can easily be maxed by any modern processor for the most part.

On the flipside, when you have a game that came out q4 2011 such as BF3 already using 8 cores on an engine that will be thrown around a bit, it's fair to understand that the FX-8 will be in a perfectly fine position for upcoming games.

Face it, most games that 'melt our pc's (as crytek would put it) are VERY gpu bound.

Next gen is around the corner, even the Wii U is a tri core and from the specs of the other systems, they seem aimed at an 8 core setup. When those ports roll in (and they will), the FX series will show off it's potential a bit more.

Now for those that argue it will be outdated by then, it's a ridiculous argument to make, of course it will. But then again, a i7 920 is VERY outdated, yet it does perfectly fine even on max settings for anything out today.

My last cpu before my AM3+ board was a socket 939 x2 4200+, and that lasted me perfectly fine for games until 2011 when it was just too slow. It lasted so long simply due to gpu upgrades. I plan to keep my fx-8350 until atleast 2014 and will probably pick up steam roller by then
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But on that note, what people also fail to realize that games that are single threaded or lightly threaded are either old engines, or ports. Both of which can easily be maxed by any modern processor for the most part.

On the flipside, when you have a game that came out q4 2011 such as BF3 already using 8 cores on an engine that will be thrown around a bit, it's fair to understand that the FX-8 will be in a perfectly fine position for upcoming games.

Face it, most games that 'melt our pc's (as crytek would put it) are VERY gpu bound.

Next gen is around the corner, even the Wii U is a tri core and from the specs of the other systems, they seem aimed at an 8 core setup. When those ports roll in (and they will), the FX series will show off it's potential a bit more.

Now for those that argue it will be outdated by then, it's a ridiculous argument to make, of course it will. But then again, a i7 920 is VERY outdated, yet it does perfectly fine even on max settings for anything out today.

My last cpu before my AM3+ board was a socket 939 x2 4200+, and that lasted me perfectly fine for games until 2011 when it was just too slow. It lasted so long simply due to gpu upgrades. I plan to keep my fx-8350 until atleast 2014 and will probably pick up steam roller by then

If modern processors, including the FX, do fine with 'lightly threaded' game why does the Intel CPU get 60+ fps in F1, Skyrim, SC2, WoW, Metro?

Its a bit of a stretch to say what you're saying but I can see where you're coming from. The problem is that by the time 8 core games become the mainstream from the upcoming consoles (which I predict they will) the current FX series will be long gone and will not be worth buying. You're basically saying that you're buying a less than ideal processor NOW so you can reap the benefits later which I think to be lousy logic. CPU's are constantly changing and not just from the AMD side. What happens to previous AMD when Broadwell comes out with 8 core i7 with 16 threads with better architecture than the piledriver cores? This is hypothetical, I know, but its still food for thought.

AMD needed to release bulldozer right after P2 and P1 SHOULD have been the P2 series. They kept fumbling around and dropping the ball and falling while trying to recover it. I don't forsee anything mainstream for AMD in quite sometime.

EDIT: Its also not Intel's fault they made such awesome chips. They gambled with their architecture and WON just like AMD gambled with their Athlons and WON. Both companies have been known to price-screw customers so lets not even attempt to link emotions with corporations. They have both been historically shady.
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