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So if anyone can get some Natural Selection 2 benchmarks that would be awesome - because according to Logan FX beats the 35070k in a game that uses 2 cores (I am assuming this off recommended system specs)

I highly doubt this to be true but only benchmarks will tell.
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Dude, the biggest problem with reviews is that they only concentrate on the average framerate and not the framerate that matters, the minimum...

AMD CPU's produce low minimum FPS in single/dual threaded games because they have a low IPC.

That is just pure fact and a result of own personal experience...

And why bring old games into the mix? Did you not see the STEAM games chart? People are STILL PLAYING OLD GAMES...

The only modern games that have really really good multi-threading support if BF3 and Crysis 2, they are 2 shing examples of multi-threading done right..

So please do tell, when all these old games were brand new, how did anyone bare them on much older cpu's and hardware? Surely the games weren't unplayable? This is my point. Any modern cpu out now has more than enough single threaded performance for these older games.

I'm not going to buy 'X' cpu that gets 300fps in an old game vs "Y" cpu that gets 150fps in the same game when in a new, properly threaded game cpu "Y" will get 60fps while cpu "X" will get 45fps (rough estimates, I know)
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I love watching people arguing over Heaven or using a benchmark to show how AMD can compete, or resorting to the old 'but it keeps up in BF3 and Crysis 2' argument.

Heaven's not a game and BF3 and Crysis 2 are not the only 2 games in the world...

Not a single game in top 20 most played in STEAM games list can use more then 4 threads....

http://store.steampowered.com/stats/

Infact a very very large amount only use 2 threads.......

And yet AMD owners only want new games benchmarked as people only play new games right? And old games don't matter rolleyes.gif

Um actually a couple games do, like Black ops 2 for instance. Also steam is hardly a large enough sample size to determine what gamers play most.

A better test is to see what game have been released this past year then count how many are multiple core optimized.

Black ops 2
Crysis 3
BF3
Metro 2033 ( so you can bet metro last light will)
Farcry 3
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BF3 might have multi thread support but if you play BF3 on ultra or high resolution the cpu doesnt matter, as long its somewhat new. Sweclockers did cpu performance test and on ultra 1080p, i7 975 had same fps as 2600k. This was not singeplayer but caspian border with 64 players active.
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BF3 might have multi thread support but if you play BF3 on ultra or high resolution the cpu doesnt matter, as long its somewhat new. Sweclockers did cpu performance test and on ultra 1080p, i7 975 had same fps as 2600k. This was not singeplayer but caspian border with 64 players active.

Both are quad core w/ HT. Disable HT on either and you'll see quite a drop average on 64 player maps
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BF3 might have multi thread support but if you play BF3 on ultra or high resolution the cpu doesnt matter, as long its somewhat new. Sweclockers did cpu performance test and on ultra 1080p, i7 975 had same fps as 2600k. This was not singeplayer but caspian border with 64 players active.

Wow is that a totally inaccurate statement if I've ever heard one
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I only listen to what is on Tom's. Tom's the man. rolleyes.gif
Looks like the i7-3960X at 4.25GHz is only slightly faster than a stock x4 955.





Also, Alienware computer are the best. people with intel CPUs should only get nVidia GPUs
and if you have an AMD you should get ATI GPUs. I find threads like this very funny.
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TH on trying to figure out an unbiased way to calculate value:
WRONG! SO WRONG!
Firstly: The majority of the system does not affect gaming performance even slightly, and thus should not be included in a performance/value calculation
Secondly: Assuming that the rest of the system is the same for everything except cpu/mobo, all they are doing is increasing the total cost used for the calculation. Which thereby creates a bias in favor of the more expensive cpu.

An unbiased value comparison should only include cpu/mobo. Because those two things can be thought of as a single unit (one doesn't work without the other), and it is not a comparison of any other part of the system, only those two things...

Actually, that point is terribly solid. It makes no sense to make a price/performance factoring ONLY the cpu + mobo, when a complete system requires all other parts that are common for both systems. Its stupid to analyse only part of a platform because it creates a bias towards the more weak/cheap system.

Ask yourself this: if you want to buy a computer with the same exact components but intel platform costs $200 more than AMD platform, and Intel platform gives you 25% more performance... you have to analyse the whole cost, not just the price/performance of the cpu + mobo.
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Both are quad core w/ HT. Disable HT on either and you'll see quite a drop average on 64 player maps

2500k had the same fps.
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Wow is that a totally inaccurate statement if I've ever heard one

????
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How can we be so divided on such an issue? We aren't debating religion guys....
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