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Well i could not test Q6600 with a HD 7970 but i did test AMD A8-3870K @ 3.0Ghz. Its a fast Quad Core probably faster then Q6600 @ 3.0Ghz because of the RAM and stuff. Comparing it to 3570K yes it a slower CPU but you do notice it. At least i did. BF3 was very noticeable, Dota 2 was also noticeable in 5 vs 5 battles fps would dip below 50 and you will notice the lag. With 3570K @ 4.6Ghz i had constant 120fps in the game. SC2 same thing while it was fine in ladder games in custom maps i could really see the difference. The only Quad that can play modern games are stuff like Q9550 @ 4.0Ghz or PIi @ 4.0GHz. Anything below you will start to notice some fps drop.

Llano is about equal to a Core 2 Quad, some bits are faster and some bits are slower. They're still very usable as a gaming chip compared to the dual cores.

Also, why not ~3.6Ghz? Both a Q6600 and 3870K could probably do that. (I know someone who had a Q6600 get to 3.9Ghz, too)
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The thing is when you look at benchmarks they are ALL over the place but NOWHERE do you see anything like Logans.

The weird thing on Logans is that the fx series BEATS the Intel 3570k which is complete bullcrap. In terms of other benchmarks - the Intel wins by 10-50% everytime but that deviation is across all benchmarks for some reason (drivers, motherboards, overclocks, ram timings, etc?) but NOTHING looks like Logans. Only Logans.

There's nothing weird about it, either he's just biased or has some seriously funked up software on the i5.
    
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Llano is about equal to a Core 2 Quad, some bits are faster and some bits are slower. They're still very usable as a gaming chip compared to the dual cores.

Also, why not ~3.6Ghz? Both a Q6600 and 3870K could probably do that. (I know someone who had a Q6600 get to 3.9Ghz, too)
There's nothing weird about it, either he's just biased or has some seriously funked up software on the i5.

You know his channel has exploded with hits and subs after this fiasco. Raking in dat cash.
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Thread cleaned ... the topic here is not 'what can human eye detect', whether we're talking Hz or FPS.

Come to think of it, this topic ... it just couldn't possibly be more TIRED ... but maybe that's just me ... having to clean up the messes you guys make of every thread on this particular topic has caused it to lose so much luster wink.gif

Carry on, and please remember to be polite and respectful of other members opinions/feelings on the subject thumb.gif
    
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Llano is about equal to a Core 2 Quad, some bits are faster and some bits are slower. They're still very usable as a gaming chip compared to the dual cores.

Also, why not ~3.6Ghz? Both a Q6600 and 3870K could probably do that. (I know someone who had a Q6600 get to 3.9Ghz, too)
There's nothing weird about it, either he's just biased or has some seriously funked up software on the i5.

You know his channel has exploded with hits and subs after this fiasco. Raking in dat cash.

Most likely why, actually.
    
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http://boallen.com/fps-compare.html
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30 FPS looks lethargic; it's only when you get up to 45+ FPS that the increases in frame rate stop being very significant.

Having just woke up and ingested a cup of coffee, I can see a very minor difference between the two if I focus on the 30 fps and 60 fps models to the exclusion of everything else. But that's my point, you're not focusing on how much prettier your game looks, unless you want to die quickly and often; your brain's entire priority when gaming (especially with fast action shooters) is processing the pertinent details on the screen as rapidly as possible so that you can react appropriately. Minor details (and even routine kills) are washed out and only vaguely remembered after the fact.

I will grant that most of you guys may have a point when it comes to 60hz LCDs, since ideally you want your FPS to (at a minimum) match your refresh rate and you definitely don't want frames to be regularly running at 30 fps (this will cause a perception of stuttering and eventual headaches when your brain isn't able to compensate). But to say it's universally applicable is an error, because it assumes that everybody has and/or will play a shooter on a 60hz monitor. I never will, even if it means buying a 120hz or 240hz TV and using it as a monitor.
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In TVs, don't they just pulse the backlight at 120Hz and keep the frame rate normal, and it tricks your brain into seeing a smoother image?

When 120hz TVs came out, that's exactly what they did. Then hardware capable of real 120hz rates came out and not long after that we had "240hz" TVs. Lather, rinse, and repeat.
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http://boallen.com/fps-compare.html
Having just woke up and ingested a cup of coffee, I can see a very minor difference between the two if I focus on the 30 fps and 60 fps models to the exclusion of everything else. But that's my point, you're not focusing on how much prettier your game looks, unless you want to die quickly and often; your brain's entire priority when gaming (especially with fast action shooters) is processing the pertinent details on the screen as rapidly as possible so that you can react appropriately. Minor details (and even routine kills) are washed out and only vaguely remembered after the fact.

I will grant that most of you guys may have a point when it comes to 60hz LCDs, since ideally you want your FPS to (at a minimum) match your refresh rate and you definitely don't want frames to be regularly running at 30 fps (this will cause a perception of stuttering and eventual headaches when your brain isn't able to compensate). But to say it's universally applicable is an error, because it assumes that everybody has and/or will play a shooter on a 60hz monitor. I never will, even if it means buying a 120hz or 240hz TV and using it as a monitor.
When 120hz TVs came out, that's exactly what they did. Then hardware capable of real 120hz rates came out and not long after that we had "240hz" TVs. Lather, rinse, and repeat.

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Okay, I'll allow Fyrwulf's de-facto mea culpa to stand, but moving forward, that's not what the thread is about wink.gif
    
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So the basic verdict in this thread is that if you want a comparable GAMING machine for as little $$ as possible you can get away with an 8350 and not really lose much performance but overall Intel provides the best all out performance you can buy? Hmmm, I thought that was the verdict BEFORE this thread was posted?? biggrin.gif
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So the basic verdict in this thread is that if you want a comparable GAMING machine for as little $$ as possible you can get away with an 8350 and not really lose much performance but overall Intel provides the best all out performance you can buy? Hmmm, I thought that was the verdict BEFORE this thread was posted?? biggrin.gif

Pretty much, been the verdict since the launch of the 8350... Not sure why it's so hard to grasp for some or worth arguing over, but whatever thumb.gif
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AMD once again slacking off idk if this would outperform FX but an i3 overclocked ( unlocked) vs it? thoughts on which one would perform better?
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