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ok, but it still doesn't change the fact that the fx6300 is a better buy for gaming than an i3. If you point is that AMD should step their game up then I agree, fully. But that's digressing from the topic at hand.

Just looked at the charts you posted, factor in the extra 5-10% IPC increase that Ivy Bridge offers with an 200Mhz and that i3 would be right there with the FX8150
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The point at hand would seem to be that there is no reason to avoid AMD for a gaming build. They can game just fine. It's not like the original Phenoms or anything...

Are they though? They have a hard time beating locked Intel quad cores, even when overclocked.
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Who cares? They still offer a more than adequate gaming experience so they're not useless...
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Who cares? They still offer a more than adequate gaming experience so they're not useless...

Not useless is debate able..... Taking into account things like power consumption, cost and performance there's little reason to buy an FX8350 over a more power efficient locked Intel quad core.

And you can always upgrade the locked quad at a later date and get even more performance.

What's left after the FX 8350?
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Not useless is debate able..... Taking into account things like power consumption, cost and performance there's little reason to buy an FX8350 over a more power efficient locked Intel quad core.

And you can always upgrade the locked quad at a later date and get even more performance.

What's left after the FX 8350?

FX8550. Unless AMD users stick to one CPU for 2-3 generation then its not cost efficent and they are fulling themselft. If you just got something like this 955 - 1100 - 8150 - 8350 etc etc you are just waisting more when you can get something like 2600K and have same performance instead of constantly upgrading to keep up with Intel.
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My cheapo backup rig has an PII X4 but other than that, I see little reason to buy AMD. I really want to dive into FX series of CPUs but I prefer strong core performance.

Hope AMD comes back.
 
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Just looked at the charts you posted, factor in the extra 5-10% IPC increase that Ivy Bridge offers with an 200Mhz and that i3 would be right there with the FX8150

IPC doesnt scale linearly in terms of in gaming perf.
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ok, but it still doesn't change the fact that the fx6300 is a better buy for gaming than an i3. If you point is that AMD should step their game up then I agree, fully. But that's digressing from the topic at hand.

Still doesn't change the fact that a 3570k is a better buy for gaming than an FX.

Fixed it for you.

You do know that the 6300 is in the i3's price range of ~$140, right?
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ok, but it still doesn't change the fact that the fx6300 is a better buy for gaming than an i3. If you point is that AMD should step their game up then I agree, fully. But that's digressing from the topic at hand.

Just looked at the charts you posted, factor in the extra 5-10% IPC increase that Ivy Bridge offers with an 200Mhz and that i3 would be right there with the FX8150

Ok, well, one; no it wouldn't, it would still only score about 70fps, which is still about 15% below the 8150. And lets not forget the minor fact that that 8350 has a clock speed (400Mhz) and 7% IPC bonus over the 8150, bringing it up to about 93fps, giving it a 33% lead over the i3.

How in the world is that "right there with it"? Heck, the 6300 after clock (200mhz) and IPC (7%) boost would score 85fps. The 4300 would score around 67fps, meaning the i3 would do just barely better then the quad core and not even keep up with the 6 and 8 core.

And those are stock. I won't count overclocking because you would have to buy a non-stock cooler which means the 6300 and 4300 wouldn't be in that price range anymore. But I'm pretty sure they all have all-core turbo. The 8350 can (and seems to always) turbo to 4.1 on all cores. I assume the others can do the same to an extent, but I don't know their numbers, so I didn't include any of them in the numbers above.
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I understand the i3 argument in core limited games but in BF3 multiplayer games it's just not really a debate, anyone who thinks it is doesn't really know what they're talking about. BF3 is one of the few games where a CPU limitation can still affect it while playing with eyecandy on.
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