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I really have no idea what you are arguing so i guess trying to get a point across to someone who doesn't have one is hard to do, and i will just stop. "3570k is like buying a crates filled with military surplus beans for $50 per metric ton" because that made sense. LOL.
I was arguing that your point makes no sense.
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I rather have beans then 8 one armed slaves lmao....

well nvm, if they group up I could have 4 TWO ARMED slaves.....unless its their left arm and they are right handed. If so I go back to my previous statement and will take the beans.
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I guess if you compare cores....but you dont use all 8 cores from the 8350 in gaming (few games do). So price per core doesn't really matter.

Anyways, I don't quite get these arguments lmao. Either cpu will run a gaming rig fine if you have a good graphic card . _ .

I'm just saying that AMD is able to produce a core at less than half of the price of intel and it's performance is like 10-20percent slower not 50 percent slower.

If the performance of AMD's single core was half as fast as Intel's, then the price justification sets in. But it's not half as fast, and that's my point.
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I was arguing that your point makes no sense.
Again i have no clue what your argument or point is in this whole thing soooo... all you have done is make really bad analogies after i say something.
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Again i have no clue what your argument or point is in this whole thing soooo... all you have done is make really bad analogies after i say something.
...let me just quote myself:
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doubling the number of cores will not double the performance, unless you managed to code a program to utilize multiple threads perfectly.

Edit: You know what, here are some real numbers
FX 8320:
DivX encode 34.3 seconds
blender rendering: 48.5 seconds

FX 4300:
DivX encode 41.3 seconds
blender rendering 58 seconds

source:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/700?vs=698

only the heavily multithreaded benches show high scaling, and it's never 100%.
Edited by Art Vanelay - 1/27/13 at 6:51pm
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...let me just quote myself:
When did i say that it did?

I really hope for humanities sake that you are trolling or can't read english, as you are misreading/misinterpreting what i am saying in the absolute worst way.
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When did i say that it did?
You:
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im saying that the 3570k does not offer anywhere even close to double the performance in single threaded applications so the price does not justify how much it costs PER CORE.
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Uhh, yea. I don't see that saying doubling cores = double performance. Im saying that 3570k costs 50 dollars per 1 core, and the 8350 costs 24 dollars per 1 core, and if you were to compare their SINGLE thread performance, the 8350 is not half as fast, its more llke 10-20% slower. So bang for buck 8350 wins.... soooo this is awkward... for you....
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Uhh, yea. I don't see that saying doubling cores = double performance. Im saying that 3570k costs 50 dollars per 1 core, and the 8350 costs 24 dollars per 1 core, and if you were to compare their SINGLE thread performance, the 8350 is not half as fast, its more llke 10-20% slower. So bang for buck 8350 wins.... soooo this is awkward... for you....

Why are you trying to compare price per core like that means jack? A processor is so much more than just the number of cores, its hilarious to even try to compare the price point purely by price per core, especially when a PD core is a module, which is a rather different thing than the core in an Intel processor. Argue price by using benchmarks, real world usage, and actual time saved. What you said is like trying to argue based purely on the Ghz a processor runs at, when so much more goes into how fast one actually is.
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Try to find a 980x for less than $800. They are generations old, aren't made anymore and aren't much better than PD. I suppose the non-official retail market doesn't know how to price things, but I think more goes into processor pricing than JUST the competition. Having $300 3930k's would also probably guarantee that nobody would ever buy any of the LGA 1155 i7's anymore unless they were in the $150 range, which would in turn translate to $10 Ivy Bridge Pentiums (!!!???). I still see $10 OEM Pentium IV's at microcenter, so if Intel were to compress pricing so much, somewhere along the line, a number of their products would become redundant.

It would be same as when Q6600 and E8400 where out.

Its also MB.

X79 ~ $250
Z77 ~ $140
3930K ~ $580
3770K ~ $320

People will get 16GB most likely with X79 platform so $40 vs $80.
X79 ~ $910
Z77 ~ $500

$410 difference to get those extra 2 Core. Its just too big of jump.
If CPUs where $350 for 3930K and $200 for 3770K there would still be ~ $300 difference between both setups which would still lead people to buy 3770K Z77 setup.
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