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So you don't have any evidence - as I suspected, you're just making ish up.

A graphics card is never at 0% utilization unless the PC is turned off. It is ridiculous to force 3D clocks in 2D mode - unless it's done to prevent a glitch in the driver software, there is no benefit to doing it. You get increased power consumption, increased heat output, and more GPU stress in exchange for nothing whatsoever.

There's a word for driver software that doesn't clock a card down to 2D clocks when not in 3D - malfunctioning.
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Originally Posted by Tokkan View Post

A simple thing called brains.
Being in 3D clocks with 0% usage increases your consumption when compared to Idle clocks, but when compared to 100% usage you will obviously have a difference in power cinsumption.
Why do you think that in reviews they put the cards running Furmark to test peak power consumption? Furmark being one of the most demanding GPU usage scenarios possible...

Edit: Well I don't even know why I'm wasting time explaining you this cause you obviously do not overclock anything.
But one of the most common things done when overclocking CPU's is disabling the power saving features 1st, this on its own will keep the CPU always at the target speed increasing the consumption.
Since this is OCN most users have their rig's overclocked. You have loads of complaining to do in these forums if you are going to be eco friendly.
If you are having flicker issues in 2D clocks you probably googled it and reached the conclusion that its the clocks messing up.
This might not be true in your case, the latest 13.2 driver update fixed the flicker in our cards, but if you want to be 100% sure try 12.8.
These have a stable performance for our cards

You didn't have to respond if you didn't want to. This place is a forum for a reason and members usually are here to help people.

I guess I don't overclock anything huh. I guess i just joined OCN in 2007 on accident. have owned several air and watercooled machines that I just left completely stock. ( SARCASM)



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Originally Posted by littledonny View Post

So you don't have any evidence - as I suspected, you're just making ish up.

A graphics card is never at 0% utilization unless the PC is turned off. It is ridiculous to force 3D clocks in 2D mode - unless it's done to prevent a glitch in the driver software, there is no benefit to doing it. You get increased power consumption, increased heat output, and more GPU stress in exchange for nothing whatsoever.

There's a word for driver software that doesn't clock a card down to 2D clocks when not in 3D - malfunctioning.

Yea I make things up for fun. lachen.gif

Maybe i was not clear enough.

What I was saying in the OP (or trying to say) is the problem is not that it utilizes nothing. Its the fact that the clocks when not being stressed is 100mhz on the core and the mem clocks bump down as well. So pretty much meaning I want the card to run performance mode 24/7 as the clocks never drop. Just want them to runn at 900mhz on the core and memory at full speed all the time.

ill just figure it out when im not working 7 days a week.

thank you to those of you who responded in Kindness. + rep
Edited by That_guy3 - 1/26/13 at 1:58pm
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post #13 of 22
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You didn't have to respond if you didn't want to. This place is a forum for a reason and members usually are here to help people.

I guess I don't overclock anything huh. I guess i just joined OCN in 2007 on accident. have owned several air and watercooled machines that I just left completely stock. ( SARCASM)

I hope you do know that the upper part of what you quoted wasn't meant to answer you.

Only this piece was directed to you.
Quote:
If you are having flicker issues in 2D clocks you probably googled it and reached the conclusion that its the clocks messing up.
This might not be true in your case, the latest 13.2 driver update fixed the flicker in our cards, but if you want to be 100% sure try 12.8.
These have a stable performance for our cards

BTW OP so you don't get confused again, the part below this text isn't directed at you.
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Originally Posted by littledonny View Post

So you don't have any evidence - as I suspected, you're just making ish up.

A graphics card is never at 0% utilization unless the PC is turned off. It is ridiculous to force 3D clocks in 2D mode - unless it's done to prevent a glitch in the driver software, there is no benefit to doing it. You get increased power consumption, increased heat output, and more GPU stress in exchange for nothing whatsoever.

There's a word for driver software that doesn't clock a card down to 2D clocks when not in 3D - malfunctioning.

You know nothing of what you speak so I'm going to leave you here a screenshot of 3 components in my computer showing you 0% LOAD/USAGE w,e you wish to call it.


In the GPU-Z of my two different graphics cards, please notice the part in which it says GPU LOAD 0% on both of them.
Also my CPU is at 0% load even tho I had GPU-Z open, CPU-Z and several Chrome tab's.

You require proof but you haven't shown something to prove me wrong...

Read through this article, even though it is old and it is CPU related...
Clean and Quiet/CnQ is used in AMD systems to save energy, so you have to look at AMD in that article.

Source
The consumption is shown in Watts for the whole system.
Quote:
AMD 790GX
CPU IDLE + CnQ [ON] = 79.6 Watts
CPU IDLE + CnQ [OFF] = 103.4 Watts
CPU Gaming + CnQ [ON] = 159.7 Watts
CPU Gaming + CnQ [OFF] = 170.9 Watts
CPU Encoding + CnQ [ON] = 196.4 Watts
CPU Encoding + CnQ [ON] = 196.8 Watts

Edited by Tokkan - 1/27/13 at 1:47pm
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Originally Posted by Tokkan View Post

I hope you do know that the upper part of what you quoted wasn't meant to answer you.

Only this piece was directed to you.
BTW OP so you don't get confused again, the part below this text isn't directed at you.
You know nothing of what you speak so I'm going to leave you here a screenshot of 3 components in my computer showing you 0% LOAD/USAGE w,e you wish to call it.


In the GPU-Z of my two different graphics cards, please notice the part in which it says GPU LOAD 0% on both of them.
Also my CPU is at 0% load even tho I had GPU-Z open, CPU-Z and several Chrome tab's.

You require proof but you haven't shown something to prove me wrong...

Read through this article, even though it is old and it is CPU related...
Clean and Quiet/CnQ is used in AMD systems to save energy, so you have to look at AMD in that article.

Source
The consumption is shown in Watts for the whole system.

If a GPU is powered on, it's consuming power and the load is not 0%, no matter what your software says. Any other alternative is physically impossible.

Your posted consumption numbers only serve to further prove my point. Power consumption at idle increases 30% at idle, and for what? There are no benefits. 30% more power consumption in the most common power state is significant, and is utterly indefensible when there are no benefits gained.
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Originally Posted by littledonny View Post

If a GPU is powered on, it's consuming power and the load is not 0%, no matter what your software says. Any other alternative is physically impossible.

Your posted consumption numbers only serve to further prove my point. Power consumption at idle increases 30% at idle, and for what? There are no benefits. 30% more power consumption in the most common power state is significant, and is utterly indefensible when there are no benefits gained.

I consider 30% increase a minimal difference when compared to what it consumes at 100% load.
The power consumption increase in my country would mean a 10 euro increase at the end of a year, if you want to talk about electricity wasting just stay away from coal and petrol and foccus on wind and solar.
There's no wasting of sun/wind, and your deffinition of idle is different from most people.
I don't really see the point of you even speaking in this thread if you aren't here to help the OP.

Also I still don't know what you are doing at OCN, it is a basic rule when overclocking components that in order to have them stable you have to disable power saving features.
That translates into my CPU is working at 4.1Ghz from the moment I turn it on till the computer shuts down. Problem?
Edited by Tokkan - 1/29/13 at 7:38pm
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I consider 30% increase a minimal difference when compared to what it consumes at 100% load.
The power consumption increase in my country would mean a 10 euro increase at the end of a year, if you want to talk about electricity wasting just stay away from coal and petrol and foccus on wind and solar.
There's no wasting of sun/wind, and your deffinition of idle is different from most people.
I don't really see the point of you even speaking in this thread if you aren't here to help the OP.

Also I still don't know what you are doing at OCN, it is a basic rule when overclocking components that in order to have them stable you have to disable power saving features.
That translates into my CPU is working at 4.1Ghz from the moment I turn it on till the computer shuts down. Problem?

Adding a second GPU actually has a benefit! Added power consumption at idle is a drawback of SLI, but the large increase in performance when gaming makes it worth it. See the difference?

What you're talking about doing has no benefit whatsoever. Do you enjoy paying 10 Euros/year more for reduced GPU life and added heat in your case?
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I consider 30% increase a minimal difference when compared to what it consumes at 100% load.
The power consumption increase in my country would mean a 10 euro increase at the end of a year, if you want to talk about electricity wasting just stay away from coal and petrol and foccus on wind and solar.
There's no wasting of sun/wind, and your deffinition of idle is different from most people.
I don't really see the point of you even speaking in this thread if you aren't here to help the OP.

Also I still don't know what you are doing at OCN, it is a basic rule when overclocking components that in order to have them stable you have to disable power saving features.
That translates into my CPU is working at 4.1Ghz from the moment I turn it on till the computer shuts down. Problem?

I'm on OCN because I have a degree in computer engineering from a top 10 U.S. engineering school. I've also been overclocking and watercooling for over 13 years. I'm willing to deal with increased heat and power consumption for even marginal performance gains. What you're talking about brings no performance gain whatsoever for a 30% increase in power consumption, which is utterly indefensible - as I said before.
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Adding a second GPU actually has a benefit! Added power consumption at idle is a drawback of SLI, but the large increase in performance when gaming makes it worth it. See the difference?

What you're talking about doing has no benefit whatsoever. Do you enjoy paying 10 Euros/year more for reduced GPU life and added heat in your case?

The choice to have the GPU at 3D clocks all the time was made by the OP not me and he already made it very clear he doesn't care about the power bill or heat or degradation.
If you wished to have informed him that his powerbill was going to increase, the card would run hotter or that the lifetime of the GPU would be shortened there were better ways for you to tell him that without coming out too agressive.
And you kept agressive in all your replies as if you were right and everyone else is wrong.

He simply does not care and he wanted to keep the card at 3D clocks.
Plain and simple.
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I'm on OCN because I have a degree in computer engineering from a top 10 U.S. engineering school. I've also been overclocking and watercooling for over 13 years. I'm willing to deal with increased heat and power consumption for even marginal performance gains. What you're talking about brings no performance gain whatsoever for a 30% increase in power consumption, which is utterly indefensible - as I said before.

I do not care about your overclocking/watercooling past and I most certainly do not care about your academic background.
You are a human which makes you just as good as everyone else.
He asked a simple question and I gave him a simple answer.
Your reply to all of that was a sarcastic: Do you enjoy wasting electricity?
Edited by Tokkan - 1/29/13 at 8:01pm
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The choice to have the GPU at 3D clocks all the time was made by the OP not me and he already made it very clear he doesn't care about the power bill or heat or degradation.
If you wished to have informed him that his powerbill was going to increase, the card would run hotter or that the lifetime of the GPU would be shortened there were better ways for you to tell him that without coming out too agressive.
And you kept agressive in all your replies as if you were right and everyone else is wrong.

He simply does not care and he wanted to keep the card at 3D clocks.
Plain and simple.

Actually, I (somehow) got you to prove your own assertions wrong when you posted data that supports my claim. So in the end, I was right, and you were wrong, thanks to the data you provided.

An regardless, I'm just expressing my opinion, which is that I question the intelligence of anyone who chooses to do that - including you.
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Also, please stop editing your posts when you realize your arguments make no sense.
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