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I'm sure the new consoles will support 120Hz, multiple monitors, and 1440p monitors... rolleyes.gif
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I'm sure the new consoles will support 120Hz, multiple monitors, and 1440p monitors... rolleyes.gif

You forgot to mention that they can SLI or Crossfire their consoles by placing them on top of one another. tongue.gif
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You do realize consoles are sold at loss and the parts cost less than they would for a PC to boot? If it cost $800 to build an equivalent PC, I'd see the PS4 launching at $400 or so, $200 saved from bulk buying all of the parts and $200 taken as a loss until hardware costs decrease enough to make it a profit. (Which took MS 4 years on the 360)

It's funny seeing the PC Fanboy rage here, considering it's normal for consoles to be either around as fast or a bit slower than a high-end PC in gaming at launch...This will definitely be faster than a PC too, a lot of the hardware is off the shelf PC hardware in a different configuration if rumours are to be believed so it'd be much easier to manually optimize at launch than the PPC CPU and half RV520, half R600 GPU in the 360, it definitely will be head and shoulders above of any PC at the same price range (Even if you take the TV cost into account, I could just use a PC monitor as most have HDMI input these days anyway) and probably match most current single GPU systems in gaming.

Yes I do know that. The PS3 sold for a loss for a few years at $600. For the PS4 to be "light years ahead" Sony would have to sell them for a loss at the prices I mentioned. At the time (2006-2007) the PS3 could just about keep up with mid-high end PCs.
If Sony have the launch price at $400, then the life span of the PS4 will be 10-15 years (otherwise it would be a complete failure financially.)
    
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You do realize consoles are sold at loss and the parts cost less than they would for a PC to boot? If it cost $800 to build an equivalent PC, I'd see the PS4 launching at $400 or so, $200 saved from bulk buying all of the parts and $200 taken as a loss until hardware costs decrease enough to make it a profit. (Which took MS 4 years on the 360)

It's funny seeing the PC Fanboy rage here, considering it's normal for consoles to be either around as fast or a bit slower than a high-end PC in gaming at launch...This will definitely be faster than a PC too, a lot of the hardware is off the shelf PC hardware in a different configuration if rumours are to be believed so it'd be much easier to manually optimize at launch than the PPC CPU and half RV520, half R600 GPU in the 360, it definitely will be head and shoulders above of any PC at the same price range (Even if you take the TV cost into account, I could just use a PC monitor as most have HDMI input these days anyway) and probably match most current single GPU systems in gaming.

Yes I do know that. The PS3 sold for a loss for a few years at $600. For the PS4 to be "light years ahead" Sony would have to sell them for a loss at the prices I mentioned. At the time (2006-2007) the PS3 could just about keep up with mid-high end PCs.
If Sony have the launch price at $400, then the life span of the PS4 will be 10-15 years (otherwise it would be a complete failure financially.)

Compare to the 360: It was lightyears ahead of PCs at launch, it was offering performance above any then modern GPU at launch even before you took optimisation into account...The PS3 only cost so much because it also had the Blu-Ray drive (Then extremely expensive) and an entire PS2 onboard too, notice how PS3s are so cheap now? If Sony don't make a new optical format and put an entire PS3 onboard the PS4 they could do exactly like MS did and launch a console that is faster than all but the quickest PCs for gaming for a reasonable price.
    
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Yes I do know that. The PS3 sold for a loss for a few years at $600. For the PS4 to be "light years ahead" Sony would have to sell them for a loss at the prices I mentioned. At the time (2006-2007) the PS3 could just about keep up with mid-high end PCs.
If Sony have the launch price at $400, then the life span of the PS4 will be 10-15 years (otherwise it would be a complete failure financially.)

Well seeing how advancements in computer tech has slowed down quite a bit and the current gen will have been in service +8 years before the next gen rolls out I don't think +10 years is that wild of an idea.
    
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Yes I do know that. The PS3 sold for a loss for a few years at $600. For the PS4 to be "light years ahead" Sony would have to sell them for a loss at the prices I mentioned. At the time (2006-2007) the PS3 could just about keep up with mid-high end PCs.
If Sony have the launch price at $400, then the life span of the PS4 will be 10-15 years (otherwise it would be a complete failure financially.)

Well seeing how advancements in computer tech has slowed down quite a bit and the current gen will have been in service +8 years before the next gen rolls out I don't think +10 years is that wild of an idea.

Advancements certainly have not slowed down at all, the focus is elsewhere and the differences in performance aren't as noticeable simply because software hasn't caught up yet.
Think how a 8Mhz increase used to be huge in the 286 days, but these days is nothing.
    
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Advancements certainly have not slowed down at all, the focus is elsewhere and the differences in performance aren't as noticeable simply because software hasn't caught up yet.
Think how a 8Mhz increase used to be huge in the 286 days, but these days is nothing.

I don't quite know what you are trying to say with that but progress most certainly has slowed down. We just don't see as big leaps in raw performance as we used to. The effect is further enhanced by the law of diminishing returns. A small improvement in visual quality now needs a healthy chunky of extra power.

More and more of the rendering power is used up for subtle effects like ambient occlusion, soft shadows or subsurface scattering. All that are quite resource hungry.
    
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PS4 1st party games will be years ahead of the PC simply because it opens up what is possible on the GPU

I lol'd..

And FXAA is crap...
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That guy can say what he wants and he can be and expert in his field, but to say that PS4 will out do a high end PC graphics wise is utterly ridiculous.

PC's may have more overhead but they have far more horsepower. These so called "next gen" consoles will be much better than current consoles, but if you have enough money, they aren't going to be close to what a PC can do. There is not even a chance the next gen consoles will be running above 1600p on a single screen and PC's today can already do better than that so I have no idea how he can say the PS4 is going to be more powerful than a PC.....kookoo.gif

Lets see what he thinks when the gk110 gets released.
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Believe it when I see it.

I do believe as usual microsoft and sony will release quality products for next gen. Maybe not the cutting edge. It is consoles after all.
It is a big statement even from the creater of FXAA. Not gonna take his word on a +$400 purchase.

Not until I see anything concrete like the First waves of games,true hardware specs will I make any decision to purchase any of them.

I'm not the biggest console player but my console serves more then one use for me. Be it bluray or Movie streaming or music.
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