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Hi all,

I have a build that it probably around 5 years old now (man I just realised I need a new PC).

Anyway, I can't really afford to buy a new motherboard, CPU, RAM, PSU etc and so I was wondering if I would benefit much from installing a SSD?

I think my motherboard supports SATA II hardware (SATAII0, SATAII1, SATAII2, SATAII3, SATAII4, SATAII5) - is that correct?

If so, does anyone have any suggestions on a SSD setup? Is it usually best to just have the operating system on the SSD and then leave all my data and games on my RAID? Also, can the SSD be setup as part of the current RAID that I have?

Any help would be much appreciated. thumb.gif

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Well you could always start with the SSD and build up. Load times from platter to SSD are ridiculous. Everything seems much more responsive with my Vertex 3 (on SATA II, same as your board) no less. Only *essential* stuff on your SSD. OS, most played games, programs that could benefit from it. I'm not sure if you can RAID SSD with platter, but even if you could, you'd probably still be better off using the SSD out of the RAID array.

As far as looking for an SSD, stuff from Samsung, Intel, and Corsair are good performers. You could also look into the Crucial M4. Aim for less than ~80 percent usage as far as storage goes. I've noticed anything else past that impacts performance on my Vertex. Not sure if that number is the most accurate, but that's around where stuff starts to get a bit wonky performance wise, for me at least..

Keep in mind that, even if you go with a SATAIII SSD, it will still only operate at SATAII speeds. In all honesty, this seems irrelevant unless you're into transferring files back and forth all day.

Here's a decent SSD tweak/setup guide for Windows 7 users.
http://www.overclock.net/t/1133897/windows-7-ssd-tweaking-guide

I can't say how much you'd see out of one, compared to that triple 0 you're running in your sig rig, though. I get about 275/280 both ways with my single SSD. I guess seek times would be better regardless, though.
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The SSD is the only way you can give life to your PC.If you buy 64gb SSD then you will be able to install only Windows and some basic programs.If you buy 128gb then you can install Windows,programs and games.There is no need to save your SSD.Maybe just leave from 10 to 20 % free so it can do it thing like Garbage collection.
Edited by Unit Igor - 1/25/13 at 1:15am
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The SSD is the only way you can give life to your PC.If you buy 64gb SSD then you will be able to install only Windows and some basic programs.If you buy 128gb then you can install Windows,programs and games.There is no need to save your SSD.Maybe just live from 10 to 20 % free so it can do it thing like Garbage collection.

Hi thanks for the swift reply. How much life do you think it will give my PC if I went ahead and got a SSD? Would I see some impressive speeds?
    
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Your computer with SSD will last while you can stil play games with your graphic card no more no less.If your play games.I suggest you buy 2 SSD and make raid thats the only way you will see sata3 speeds and you will have big 4k writes.
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Your computer with SSD will last while you can stil play games with your graphic card no more no less.If your play games.I suggest you buy 2 SSD and make raid thats the only way you will see sata3 speeds and you will have big 4k writes.

Excellent that's good to know about the speed and 4K write. I do play games, this is one of the reasons I want SSD. Most important is to speed up the boot time and Operating System.
    
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Well you could always start with the SSD and build up. Load times from platter to SSD are ridiculous. Everything seems much more responsive with my Vertex 3 (on SATA II, same as your board) no less. Only *essential* stuff on your SSD. OS, most played games, programs that could benefit from it. I'm not sure if you can RAID SSD with platter, but even if you could, you'd probably still be better off using the SSD out of the RAID array.

As far as looking for an SSD, stuff from Samsung, Intel, and Corsair are good performers. You could also look into the Crucial M4. Aim for less than ~80 percent usage as far as storage goes. I've noticed anything else past that impacts performance on my Vertex. Not sure if that number is the most accurate, but that's around where stuff starts to get a bit wonky performance wise, for me at least..

Keep in mind that, even if you go with a SATAIII SSD, it will still only operate at SATAII speeds. In all honesty, this seems irrelevant unless you're into transferring files back and forth all day.

Here's a decent SSD tweak/setup guide for Windows 7 users.
http://www.overclock.net/t/1133897/windows-7-ssd-tweaking-guide

I can't say how much you'd see out of one, compared to that triple 0 you're running in your sig rig, though. I get about 275/280 both ways with my single SSD. I guess seek times would be better regardless, though.

I missed your post somehow ! Great reply thanks for the info

I have around 200Gb of data in Program Files, Program Files (x86), Program Data and Windows folders.

I can split my programs so that only things such as Photoshop etc are installed on the SSD which would bring it down quite a lot.

Is it better to buy a few SSD's and run them in RAID rather then buying one 256GB SSD?

Also, if I bought 2xSATA III SSD's and ran them in RAID, such as the Corsair Force GS 180GB 2.5" SATA 6Gb/s - would I see these speeds using a SATA II port or are these representative of SATA III speeds?
- Sequential read speeds of up to 555 MB/s
- Sequential write speeds of up to 525 MB/s
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I missed your post somehow ! Great reply thanks for the info

I have around 200Gb of data in Program Files, Program Files (x86), Program Data and Windows folders.

I can split my programs so that only things such as Photoshop etc are installed on the SSD which would bring it down quite a lot.

Is it better to buy a few SSD's and run them in RAID rather then buying one 256GB SSD?

Also, if I bought 2xSATA III SSD's and ran them in RAID, such as the Corsair Force GS 180GB 2.5" SATA 6Gb/s - would I see these speeds using a SATA II port or are these representative of SATA III speeds?
- Sequential read speeds of up to 555 MB/s
- Sequential write speeds of up to 525 MB/s

Well it certainly is better for transfer performance, but for single-SSD use, higher volume SSDs tend to outperform ones with less capacity. It's not anything astronomical, but I think I've seen as high as ~30ish MB/s on both sides going from a 128 to a 256 of the same model SSD. Yes, those are SATAIII speeds. On SATAII, you will see about half of that per drive.
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Well it certainly is better for transfer performance, but for single-SSD use, higher volume SSDs tend to outperform ones with less capacity. It's not anything astronomical, but I think I've seen as high as ~30ish MB/s on both sides going from a 128 to a 256 of the same model SSD. Yes, those are SATAIII speeds. On SATAII, you will see about half of that per drive.

Hmmmm, I can't decide whether to have one large volume and place everything on that (probably need around 256Gb for everything) or 2 separate drives NOT in RAID i.e. 1x128gb drive for the OS and Apps and then another 1x128gb for games.

What do you think? Trying to measure up the costs of doing it differently.

I've just seen that I can get a Crucial v4 128Gb SATA II SSD for £65. Is it pointless going for a SATA III drive seeing as though I have SATA II sockets - or are there any other advantages of SATA III drives other than speed ?
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Hmmmm, I can't decide whether to have one large volume and place everything on that (probably need around 256Gb for everything) or 2 separate drives NOT in RAID i.e. 1x128gb drive for the OS and Apps and then another 1x128gb for games.

What do you think? Trying to measure up the costs of doing it differently.

I've just seen that I can get a Crucial v4 128Gb SATA II SSD for £65. Is it pointless going for a SATA III drive seeing as though I have SATA II sockets - or are there any other advantages of SATA III drives other than speed ?

I'd personally opt for one large. Like I said, It will work at SATAII speeds, but the fact remains that it will work. If you ever wish to upgrade to a SATAIII board, you've just doubled your bandwidth because you got a SATAIII drive. You also look at things like TRIM support. I feel SATAIII drives are slightly faster than SATAII regardless, even when driven under the SATAII spec, but that might just be me imagining things.
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