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Ok please take a look at the picture I attached. So my problem is the psu cable layout, I have no knowledge in electrical so bear with me ya.

Normally I see people sleeve their cables its very clean & straight. I want to achieve this but my psu cables are not this kind of design. The way the wires are routed is like tangle around here & there in a spider web fashion. Take a look at the diagram, as you can see the orange wire at the top is connected to the bottom. Then same goes with all the other cables...

my question is, can I adjust the wiring? Instead of tangle around here & there, can I re-wire to achieve the straight clean layout? Will there be any side effects? What if I plug in the wrong cable, will any of my components blow up or the psu itself?



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Update:

ok so I went through a few threads in this forum & I gathered a few useful info. Those who are interested in reading the threads:
1) http://www.overclock.net/t/1315479/first-attempt-pinout-question
2) http://www.overclock.net/t/1307713/bad-modular-design-silverstone-st45sf-g
3) http://www.overclock.net/t/1334642/new-sleevers-question-about-wires
4) http://www.overclock.net/t/1283244/need-info-on-24pin-cable


I would also like explain my problem better, I will quote what others have tried to explain & basically I am facing that same problem.

Thread #1:
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Originally Posted by Dienz View Post

Hello everyone. Last night I made my first attempt at sleeving with paracord and heat shrink. I ditched the heat shrink since paracord can melt anyway and is fairly secure as such. I have a Silverstone ST1200G with the PP05 short cable set and decided to begin with one of the 8/6+2 PCIE cables. I think for a beginner, my results look fantastic. I look Lutro's suggestion from a video to use tape around the pins and that worked very well.

My only concerns are the following:

Can I make my PCIE wires as parallel as possible? It is my understanding that the pins closest to the clip are ground, while the furthest are for voltage. My ground are all black, voltage are all yellow. Does it matter what order each wire goes in or is it irrelevant so long as all the correct wires are on the correct side?

So row 5 - 8 is ground, and 1 to 3 is voltage with 4 as ground. That's what I saw on my cable. When I get to the others, I will confirm it but I wanted your guys' opinions and thoughts

EDIT: The first image is upside down, or my number rows are upside down. Either way, flip one over and the order is correct, I think.

8pin PSU connector .. 6+2 PCIE connector
5 6 7 8 ................... 5 6 7 8
1 2 3 4 ................... 1 2 3 4

Basically just asking this again but in my words.. forgive me. I hope I make sense to someone. thumb.gif

http://www.overclock.net/t/499028/pci-e-cable-pin-assignment


This is what I am referring to and the below images are what I put together last night.





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Originally Posted by mandrix View Post

You can wire them anyway you want to pretty it up as long as it's voltage to voltage and ground to ground.
On the 24 pin you can't always do that, some power supplies like to sense voltage on particular pins, at least some SeaSonics.
You'll be fine.


Thread #2: I suggest you head over that thread & read it up.

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Originally Posted by goodforyou19 View Post

Hey everyone,

So I just started my first sleeving project, and I had a couple of noob questions that I was hoping someone here would help answer.

I have a SeaSonic X650 Modular PSU. So i am sleeving an 8-pin first. I cut the heat shrink and the sleeving, and start sleeving wires individually with MDPC. There are 2 colors of wires, black and yellow. So at the start, i thought that each wire would correspond to the same position on both sides, but then i realized that there were a couple of wires which crossed each other and went into different slots. Now there is kind of a criss-cross in my cables, and it looks a bit ugly. I was wondering if these wires were interchangable? I wanted the cables to all flow in the same slots so there won't be any criss-crosses.

I know this is extremely vague, but this is as best as i can describe it.
I will try to post up some pictures in a bit to better explain myself.

Thanks for the help!

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Originally Posted by Traches View Post

It is crucial that every pin winds up back in the hole it started from. How they get there is up to you.

There are several ground wires, as well as a few with the same voltage, and they are probably interchangable (I would bet they are, but I'm not knowledgeable enough to say for sure.)

The criss-crosses happen because the 24 pin plug is ATX standard while the output from the PSU is whatever's most convenient for the manufacturer.

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Originally Posted by Lutro0 View Post

WIth pcie, eps, and 4pin molex power cables feel free to move the cables around as long as a black wire goes where a black wire was and a yellow wires goes where a yellow wire was and so on.

With the 24pin, you can move it around as long as you keep to the atx standard on the motherboard side and stick to the corresponsing pinout on the PSU side. (all psus are different in this manner) Make sure the right voltage or ground is going to the same on the other side.

However I have seen it work many times with no problems, but I have also seen where it does not work even when everything is in the right voltage spot. So you take a chance that it will not work, but in that case you just put them back in the original configuration.

Remember before you start sleeving ALWAYS MAKE A PIN OUT DIAGRAM.

Dont worry about blowing up your psu (unless you REALLY mess it up) otherwise it will either just not turn on or trip its safety feature right away.

But a word of caution, if doing this makes you anxious and you think you cant do it, then dont. thumb.gif



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Originally Posted by Axis24 View Post

Hey everyone, I need a little help here answering a question i spent alot of time looking but can't seem to find the answer.
So here is my question if the #24 pin on the PSU side is a common can you put the MOBO end of that wire in any of the common pin spots or does it have to stay in the one it is in.

Example: My silverstone ST1500 has on the PSU side #'s 3,5,7,15,17,18,19, and 24 pins are common and the MOBO side #'s 3,5,7,12,15,17,18, and 19 pins are common but the way the factory cable is wired from one end to the other from PSU side to MOBO side is

pin3 to pin12
pin5 to pin17
pin7 to pin18
pin15 to pin5
pin17 to pin19
pin18 to pin3
pin19 to pin15 and pin24 to pin7 if they are all common is it ok for pin3 to go to pin3,pin17 to pin 17,pin18 to pin18 ect ect and if not why?

And if it is ok does not the same apply to the +3.3V,+5VDC ect ect if applicable?

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Originally Posted by Lutro0 View Post

Just in-case someone else wants to know the answer to this.

People do this for looks, sometimes you can clean up an oem pinout by moving them around like this, HOWEVER even though it makes sense logically that this would work all the time. Some power supplies get a bit angry when you do this and refuse to work, its never damaged one as far as I have heard so switching it back to the normal pin out has always solved it. But it may not always work.

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Originally Posted by mandrix View Post

I changed some cable locations for ease of sleeving. As far as working perfectly fine when plugged into the motherboard, it does.
But it will not allow the PSU to be "jump started". I have no idea why this should be exactly as the only wires moved followed to the same voltage as per Seasonic's chart in back of booklet that came with PSU. You can short pin 9 to a ground and the PSU will try to start up then shut right back off.
So if you need to run the PSU independently of the motherboard it's just a chance you will take if you move wires around. I wish someone could tell me why as it has me scratching my head!

Edited by crazymofo - 1/25/13 at 11:47pm
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The "straight clean layout" is when people make extensions, basically adding a male-to-female set of wires to the end of the normal bit. Usually the "spider web" part is hidden under the motherboard.

Luckily, the Strider doesn't need to be tangled. I'm not sure why they connect them like that as standard, but you can repin it so that pin1 goes to pin1 and pin2 goes to pin2.



Remember when wiring, to orientate the connectors how you will have them in the PC, because it could be that the motherboard end of the connector needs to be upside-down compared to the PSU end.
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Ok my conclusion based on lutro0 replies is it depends on what psu I am using. Either it will work or not. So my current options are:

#1: Just leave it as it is & hide the cross wires behind the motherboard.
#2: Take the risk & re-wire everything but follow the voltages in the manual.
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Originally Posted by crazymofo View Post

it depends on what psu I am using

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Originally Posted by WiSK View Post

the Strider doesn't need to be tangled... but you can repin it so that pin1 goes to pin1 and pin2 goes to pin2.

It's good that you read up on it, but those answers are rather generalised. I had already answered you specifically for your PSU. I know it can be wired 1-to-1 because: a) it's compatible with the PP05 short cable kit, which is 1-to-1; and b) because I've rewired two ST45SF-G 's myself which also have the Strider pinout

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well that is great then. I shall proceed with re-wiring it once I get my proper modding tool kit.

is there anything else that I need to take note of? Do you think getting a psu tester will help?
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Yes, PSU tester is always good to reassure that you won't damage anything with mistake in connections thumb.gif


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