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Historically big IT companies explode and then fall back down. Look at Microsoft, they peaked really high and then dropped back down to a normal level. Apple will do the same. It's only natural, a company like Apple can't keep growing forever. There are too many smartphones out there already. I'm estimating that Apple will eventually settle at around $300 and become less volatile as people get less excited about it.
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Historically big IT companies explode and then fall back down. Look at Microsoft, they peaked really high and then dropped back down to a normal level. Apple will do the same. It's only natural, a company like Apple can't keep growing forever. There are too many smartphones out there already. I'm estimating that Apple will eventually settle at around $300 and become less volatile as people get less excited about it.

Another good example is Cisco. General rule of thumb is that if a stock starts going exponential, you'd better start looking for exit points once the stock starts experiencing any major sell-offs.

The analysts who are still bullish on Apple are either in denial or trying pump it so they can short it. Apple's business model was dependent on constant The Next Big Things (revolution instead of evolution) to keep people excited. Cook's a bean-counter (evolution), not a visionary.
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Started Shorting APPL in August. Laughing to the bank right now biggrin.gif SLIDE BABY SLIDE... Hoping it will slide to about 150.. but I'd be ok with 200.
 
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This...

Put it this way... If the founder/owner of IKEA woke up tomorrow and found out that his company(ies) are worth less than Apple; he'd probably jump off a bridge. Publications always talk about the "known" guys (Gates, Murdoch, Slim, etc) because they are... well... known. There was an article in Forbes a few months ago where they talked about some of the guys that we DON'T know about and the IKEA guy is believed to be worth a few times more than any of the "known" guys. They can't figure out the real figure simply because they don't know everything he owns. As far as they got; he owns IKEA, the wood mills that supply IKEA for all the furniture, the refineries where they process all the plastics IKEA uses and plenty of other stuff that they can't pin on him.

Bit of a stretch to say he's worth more than Gates. Alot og Gates wealth is not reported, ujssuallyt only his share in Microsoft. He has stocks in Apple for instance.
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I will say it again... Bubble thumb.gif and I think MS is in trouble as well, unless they can corner the Mobil market. Google is my bet for the next big thing. Free = easy market share and goog knows it.
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I will say it again... Bubble thumb.gif and I think MS is in trouble as well, unless they can corner the Mobil market. Google is my bet for the next big thing. Free = easy market share and goog knows it.

Bubble?! Apple has a P/E of under 10, and billions of cash in the bank.

Apple is priced lower than many value stocks, but has the expectations of a growth stock. Time and time again people post about Apple financials that have no idea how the stock market works.

Objectively, Apple stock is an absolute steal, unless you really have a strong feeling that they will never again release a trend setting product like the Iphone or Ipad. Personally, I feel that if Apple can make the Ipad, which was the butt of jokes and an "oversized ipod" into an entirely new market, they will have no trouble following up with many more successful products. The fact of the matter is that the tech world follows Apple blindly and clones their products, which means that they are guaranteed success even if they release fluff products like the Ipad was.
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Stockpiling cash can only push your stock value so far....
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Bubble?! Apple has a P/E of under 10, and billions of cash in the bank.

Apple is priced lower than many value stocks, but has the expectations of a growth stock. Time and time again people post about Apple financials that have no idea how the stock market works.

Objectively, Apple stock is an absolute steal, unless you really have a strong feeling that they will never again release a trend setting product like the Iphone or Ipad. Personally, I feel that if Apple can make the Ipad, which was the butt of jokes and an "oversized ipod" into an entirely new market, they will have no trouble following up with many more successful products. The fact of the matter is that the tech world follows Apple blindly and clones their products, which means that they are guaranteed success even if they release fluff products like the Ipad was.


I feel Apple cashed-in and is going to ride out their previous success. Apple started this phone/tablet craze, and I give them credit for that. However the iPad was just an extension of the same device. Now that the market is created for these devices, competitors are ready to produce similar products for cheaper, on a whim. Basically, Sammy, HTC, Sony, Moto, Lenovo, MS, and loads of others are watching Apple for that NEXT BIG THING and will under cut it in a heart beat.

I'm not saying Apple will go away, what I'm saying is they cant come out of no where with a revolutionary product like they did with the iPhone (the product that got them so large)
They did so well because they created a market. If they want to stay the same size they are now, they need to do that again, and I doubt they can. Also burning bridges like they do doesn't help their cause.


Google on the other hand, is diversified, liquid, FREE, and dominates advertizement on the biggest billboard in the world... the WEB
They make friends not foes, their products are mostly free, and they own a OS+Store that has become a developers wet dream.
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My money is made by Oil companies. I have bought a couple apple products. full circle
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Bubble?! Apple has a P/E of under 10, and billions of cash in the bank.

Apple is priced lower than many value stocks, but has the expectations of a growth stock. Time and time again people post about Apple financials that have no idea how the stock market works.

Objectively, Apple stock is an absolute steal, unless you really have a strong feeling that they will never again release a trend setting product like the Iphone or Ipad. Personally, I feel that if Apple can make the Ipad, which was the butt of jokes and an "oversized ipod" into an entirely new market, they will have no trouble following up with many more successful products. The fact of the matter is that the tech world follows Apple blindly and clones their products, which means that they are guaranteed success even if they release fluff products like the Ipad was.

List of stocks with P/E lower than APPL

American International Group Inc AIG 2.43
Ford Motor Co. (DE) F 3.15
Seagate Technology Plc STX 5.54
Assurant Inc AIZ 5.54
Cliffs Natural Resources, Inc. CLF 5.57
Yahoo! Inc. YHOO 6.19
Western Digital Corp. WDC 6.33
Apollo Group, Inc. APOL 6.33
Pitney Bowes Inc PBI 6.68
Western Union Co. WU 6.73
SLM Corp. SLM 7.82
MetroPCS Communications Inc PCS 7.83
Horton (D.R.) Inc. DHI 7.86
ConocoPhillips COP 7.97
Abbott Laboratories ABT 8.00
CF Industries Holdings Inc CF 8.29
Allstate Corp. ALL 8.35
WellPoint Inc WLP 8.67
Northrop Grumman Corp NOC 8.76
Discover Financial Services DFS 8.76
Joy Global Inc JOY 8.81
Peabody Energy Corp BTU 8.84
AFLAC Inc. AFL 8.87
Xerox Corp XRX 8.91
Dell Inc DELL 8.95


Yeah FORD is a good investment.. Half of these stocks you could have shorted and made a killing.

P/E isn't everything. And I'll also tell you having money in the bank you can't spend is worthless.. The amount of tax they'd pay on that money is ridiculous and no loophole would get them out of it. Again, I shorted APPL in August and I'm pretty sure most Financial Advisers would have said that is investment suicide. ROA is probably a better indicator of company health and APPL has been sliding on ROA since June 1.
 
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