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Some of these results are really odd.

Is this another streaming review/test? Otherwise several sets of results make zero sense, and aren't remotely repeatable.

Methodology is a vague disaster, again. Something is throttling or he's being extremely inconsistent in his playthrough.
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Originally Posted by ripsaw View Post

I love these reviews comparing apples to oranges.
8350 should be compared with 3770k, not 3570k.

Disagree.

Parts are the same price.
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Originally Posted by Lumo841 View Post

Why would they clock the AMD up to 5 GHz and the i5 to 4.5 GHz, just a question?

The FX-8350 tends to reach higher absolute clocks than the 3570k.

500MHz gap in favor of the FX is rather excessive, but it's probably better than a clock for clock comparison.
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Originally Posted by ripsaw View Post

I would think its more fair to compare each company's top consumer offering, 8 (cough) core vs 8 (cough) core........

You think wrong.
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Originally Posted by Lumo841 View Post

I see, but in my humble opinion I think they should be compared at the same clock speeds. I mean it's not Intel's fault that AMD's IPC isn't very good.

It is Intel's fault that Ivy tends to max out lower on air than VIshera. Conversely, it's AMD fault that they sacrificed IPC for clock speed.

In the end, clock for clock comparisons are only relevant to parts that clock near identically, and Ivy/Vishera do have a modest average clock speed differential.

If I had done it, I would probably have used 4.8GHz on the FX and 4.5 on the 3570k, to be more representative, but as I said above, I'd rather see 5GHz vs 4.5GHz than a clock for clock comparison.
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Originally Posted by ZealotKi11er View Post

People will believe what they wan to. Here in OCN we try to look stuff with facts and experience.

Well, about one 1-in-10 of us do.
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Originally Posted by S.M. View Post

He overclocked each chip 1000Mhz over stock.

Which is as arbitrary and stupid as an IPC test.

You OC each CPU as far as they will go, or as far as you can reasonably expect them to go in the situations they will be used it, if you want a fair OCed comparison.
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Originally Posted by Cutomz View Post

I agree with you but it would have been nice if both were clocked at the same speeds.

No it wouldn't.

You'd simply have the opposite problem.
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Originally Posted by Dimaggio1103 View Post

Proof?

Look at the results in the video review...they are absurd.
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Originally Posted by General123 View Post

But same amount of threads? No.

Irrelevant.
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Originally Posted by junkerde View Post

For me anyway, 82c is kinda on the hot side........

82C is lukewarm for an Ivy.
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Originally Posted by =LEVI= View Post

Could be the new microsoft hotfix for the AMD he talked about in the video, it's seriously irrational to just jump to the far fetched conclusion that the guy is falsifying this whole thing out of the blue.

No hotfix (and yes, I use them on my FX), and no CPU replacement is going alter scores by anywhere near the magnitude needed to produce the results in Logan's review.

Fabricating a review is not remotely as far fetched, not that I think he's intentionally deceiving anyone...I just think he's incompetent.
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Originally Posted by =LEVI= View Post

Somebody in this thread JUST said that they applied the hotfix and got a big boost in performance, seriously guys, it's a CPU manufacturer, not your girlfriend.

The hotfixes will only improve performance when one is CPU limited because of scheduling conflicts.

It cannot magically add performance where there is no more to be extracted, and cannot increase performance hundreds of percent, in anything.

The hotfixes have been tested in reviews, and by many end users. Rare, purely CPU limited tests, do sometimes show moderate increases. GPU limited tests do not show much of anything.
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Originally Posted by =LEVI= View Post

You guys are seriously unbelievable, it's hard to grasp the loyalty you people have to a brand name.

Your sentiment is profoundly misplaced.

This is not, and never really has been, an argument over brand of anything.

The argument is about a bad review producing absurd results.

If Intel had won every test, people would have the same complaints, because the results would be just as stupid.

When a largely GPU limted test is run on the same GPUs, with roughly comparable CPUs backing them up, and you get a 200-400% difference in performance something is wrong with the test.
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Originally Posted by PostalTwinkie View Post

Considering he ran the tests two different times, one with a 7870 and one with the 670....no, his results are fine.

Doing the same things wrong both times = fine?
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So what exactly should he be doing to "correctly" benchmark the FX-8350 and 3570K?
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So what exactly should he be doing to "correctly" benchmark the FX-8350 and 3570K?

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So what exactly should he be doing to "correctly" benchmark the FX-8350 and 3570K?

Identical components, software, and settings, where applicable, with the same care given to tweaking each setup optimally.

Thorough testing of each bench setup, to identify any potential issues (such as throttling, unstable/impractical OCs, or other areas in need of tweaking), before benchmarking begins.

Repeatable tests. This is a big one. If you are going to do a playthrough, you need an input/macro/demo recorder so you can be sure you are doing the same things at each point. Failing this (such as when it's not practical, like multiplayer), you need to run the test many times, toss out the highest and lowest results (which are anomalies), then average the rest.

Really, these are basics that should be done for any sort of comparison.

Additionally, you need to be able to identify anomalous results, and be willing to look for a cause, rather than accepting everything at face value. If you know you are likely to be mostly GPU limited, and you get huge variances with the same GPU, you don't just go ahead and publish the results (unless you want to look like a total jackass), you attempt to figure out if there is a problem. Only if an honest an thorough investigation and retesting produces consistently similar results should you accept those that deviate wildly from expectation.
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If the goal is (as it was stated in Logan's review) to compare real world results, you use the same settings you or your audience would likely use during actual play.

Reducing resolution and details to a minimum turns the test into a synthetic one, which may give insight into theoretical differences, but which has little relevance to how most people play games.
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If a CPU loses in "proper benchmarks" but wins in the "how you would actually use it" test, that's fine by me. Sounds like a solid CPU.
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Originally Posted by Glenwing View Post

If a CPU loses in "proper benchmarks" but wins in the "how you would actually use it" test, that's fine by me.

The problem is that this is not what occurred.

Personally,I'd be trying to make the system work correctly before I used it, but maybe that's just me...

Your statement is a perfect example of the pitfalls of accepting something at face value. Maybe you assume the results are representative of a system that is operating as it should, but when I look at the figures given, I see something that makes me think, "this system is broken".
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You can roll your eyes if you want but that's the proper way to determine which CPU is faster in whichever game is being tested. The lower resolution is just removing the GPU out of the equation as much as possible because that's not what's being compared. Testing at high resolutions can mask poor CPU performance with a GPU bottleneck. AMD did this in their slides during the bulldozer release.

I still think adding a graph at normal resolutions is needed but the low res test is also valuable.
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This seems more right to me.

Any game using 4 cores or less the 3570k Should destroy the 8350 Even with the 3570k at stock vs a 5ghz 8350.

What we have to look at here is this guy is turning the games up to max which Draws on the Gpu... So his review is pretty much a Gpu bench not a Cpu bench.
Ok like, I know the piledriver loses. But wow, the guy in the background. I had to stop watching.
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I cant even read the replies in this thread because there is so much angst and insecurities here that are being revealed. AMD is not your teen father who wouldn't let you go out on a friday night. He doesn't care what you do.
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You can roll your eyes if you want but that's the proper way to determine which CPU is faster in whichever game is being tested. The lower resolution is just removing the GPU out of the equation as much as possible because that's not what's being compared. Testing at high resolutions can mask poor CPU performance with a GPU bottleneck. AMD did this in their slides during the bulldozer release.

I still think adding a graph at normal resolutions is needed but the low res test is also valuable.

That wasn't the point of the video, and considering that no one here plays at said resolution, your argument is pointless. Why should anyone care about "poor cpu performance" when the frames are fine?

Can AMD handle today's games with the monitors that we have, and with the eye candy that we desire? YES! Get over it already folks.

The level of insecurity from some of the people here is beyond pathetic....
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