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You could also download iobit Advanced System Care Ultimate 6. I'ts an all in one system manager whom would deal with your cleanup's, fixes, defragments, malware, even viruses these days, it basically services your O'S while you watch or drink coffee, You also get a monitor that shows your CPU, RAM, HDD and Network usage. I have an old 2.9 GHz Intel Core2Duo CPU, 4 BG 1333 MHz Kingston RAM, 1 TB 7500 RPM HDD, NVIDIA 24 GT GPU. My system is pretty old and it was slow and after I got ASC Ultimate 6 it was fast, apps opened on the click, startups tool like a minute and a half and it's pretty smooth over all. You could also choose performance mode or gaming mode and set your settings for it and choose is to customize your O.S in an instant. But get an SSD as well, spending that much cash on a system it would be worth adding like a 120 GB SSD for your O.S, it makes a huge difference.
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Thanks for all the responses. I'll look into an SSD, but the issue is that there's no way I'm going to get enough space for all my programs on an SSD for a reasonable price. I currently only have 115 GB left of 650 GB, and my Documents and user account stuff are all symlinked over to the 2 TB storage drive. Yes, I've uninstalled a lot of stuff to try to free up more space (100 GB remaining on the OS drive isn't comforting), but I go to college for Computer Animation, so I have to have Adobe CS6 Master Collection, 3DS Max, Maya, etc. installed on here, and those are gigantic. So I have about 500 GB worth of programs installed alone, and only the OS and program files are on the main drive.

Yes, the main drive is the 2006 one. It only has a 16 MB cache (which for the time was pretty good).

I'm aware that I *could* also symlink the program files over to a storage drive as well and just keep ONLY the OS on the SSD, but what's the point then? If all my programs are still running off of a mechanical HDD, there won't be much noticeable performance gain, I'm guessing. But I'd much rather stripe two 512 GB SSDs in RAID 0 and use the resulting 1TB for the OS/programs. Unfortunately, that would cost about $800 at minimum to do.

As mentioned by a few people already though, I don't think it's just the drive(s), if the problems I described even have anything to do with the drives. Applications don't normally hang when trying to close them, or take extended periods of time to open with a normal HDD, and outside of gaming, this rig actually feels slower than my old Phenom II x4 965 that had 1066 RAM and a crappy $50 Biostar mATX board. This one kills it at gaming, but the 965 rig seemed faster at virtually every day-to-day task, which seems ass backwards to me.

I will stress test all the parts again and check all the Windows logs this weekend and see if I can find anything.

And yes, for those wondering, the $2500 price includes my two monitors (~$750 of it right there), chair ($150), mouse ($30), speakers ($70), headset ($100), Windows 8 ($100), etc. The tower cost about $1,200 or so to build by itself. Just to clarify smile.gif

I would try to replace your main drive with a WD black 1 TB. That should be a lot faster than an 7 year old hdd but it's still cheaper than R0 SSD.

I don't think it is due to some error that you have long startup times. 500 GB of programs is a lot and i'm guessing a lot of them start-up at boot time. HDDs are also slower in reading data that is near the edge of the disk. Your PC might place your swap file near to the edge because all other HDD space is filled and that could also cause slowdowns.

You can try running MyDefrag with the System Disk Monthly setting. It'll take a very long time to defrag but afaik it is the best defragmenting program. Doomlord's suggestions about trying to disable start-up processes is also worth trying out.
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A clean install always does good, and if you can't remember any programs you have installed currently, you probably don't need them. As far as an SSD goes, Just installing the OS to it will speed things up quite a bit. You might even be able to install some of the core components of the larger programs you use on SSD and the rest on the hard drive.

Side note: I have a 5 year old 7200 RPM hard drive, and Windows 8 boots in 20-30 seconds.
    
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Originally Posted by Clowerweb View Post

Thanks for all the responses. I'll look into an SSD, but the issue is that there's no way I'm going to get enough space for all my programs on an SSD for a reasonable price. I currently only have 115 GB left of 650 GB, and my Documents and user account stuff are all symlinked over to the 2 TB storage drive. Yes, I've uninstalled a lot of stuff to try to free up more space (100 GB remaining on the OS drive isn't comforting), but I go to college for Computer Animation, so I have to have Adobe CS6 Master Collection, 3DS Max, Maya, etc. installed on here, and those are gigantic. So I have about 500 GB worth of programs installed alone, and only the OS and program files are on the main drive.

Yes, the main drive is the 2006 one. It only has a 16 MB cache (which for the time was pretty good).

I'm aware that I *could* also symlink the program files over to a storage drive as well and just keep ONLY the OS on the SSD, but what's the point then? If all my programs are still running off of a mechanical HDD, there won't be much noticeable performance gain, I'm guessing. But I'd much rather stripe two 512 GB SSDs in RAID 0 and use the resulting 1TB for the OS/programs. Unfortunately, that would cost about $800 at minimum to do.

As mentioned by a few people already though, I don't think it's just the drive(s), if the problems I described even have anything to do with the drives. Applications don't normally hang when trying to close them, or take extended periods of time to open with a normal HDD, and outside of gaming, this rig actually feels slower than my old Phenom II x4 965 that had 1066 RAM and a crappy $50 Biostar mATX board. This one kills it at gaming, but the 965 rig seemed faster at virtually every day-to-day task, which seems ass backwards to me.

I will stress test all the parts again and check all the Windows logs this weekend and see if I can find anything.

And yes, for those wondering, the $2500 price includes my two monitors (~$750 of it right there), chair ($150), mouse ($30), speakers ($70), headset ($100), Windows 8 ($100), etc. The tower cost about $1,200 or so to build by itself. Just to clarify smile.gif

with windows 7 i have no idea on 8 you can tell it store you my documents and pictures etc etc at other locations and drives, that how all of use do it, I'm not if that what you mean by symlink as i also know you can use NTFS junctions points but, there are cons and props to junction points.

There is still notable perf gain even with programs on the HDD, the OS runs EVERYTHING and the fast it can do it's random reads and writes and access it's caches the better.

You also want to make sure you drive is set to AHCI for an SSD and it doesn't hurt from an HDD either but, if you stalled your os with it set to IDE, it will blue screen the os if you switch it AHCI with out FIRST running the MS Mr.FixIt.

For the slowness the best i can tell you is to check the windows even log and S.M.A.R.T. status/Drive Health.
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I'm still using my 6 year old HDD as a boot drive too. Saving up for a half decent SSD.

but yeah, their all right; its definitely your HDD. You got yours from a prebuilt 6 years ago. That basically means its been spinning at 7200rpms nonstop for the past 6 years.
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Guy is looking for help and all he gets is everyone telling him he should have an SSD? The times he is getting should not be happening and an SSD won't help if something else is actually defective.

And no, an SSD is not by far the most important part of a system, not by a long shot...
Edited by MaxxOmega - 1/31/13 at 7:26am
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Guy is looking for help and all he gets is everyone telling him he should have an SSD? The times he is getting should not be happening and an SSD won't help if something else is actually defective.

And no, an SSD is not by far the most important part of a system, not by a long shot...

It may not be the most important part of a system, but when considering boot and load times, it's pretty high up there.
But even still, as others have pointed out, he probably has a faulty HDD as his boot drive.
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It may not be the most important part of a system, but when considering boot and load times, it's pretty high up there.
But even still, as others have pointed out, he probably has a faulty HDD as his boot drive.

boot and load times are secondary to tasks and programs. it's useless to have an ssd for epic boot and load times when your pc can't even handle the massive apps it's loading up.
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It may not be the most important part of a system, but when considering boot and load times, it's pretty high up there.
But even still, as others have pointed out, he probably has a faulty HDD as his boot drive.

boot and load times are secondary to tasks and programs. it's useless to have an ssd for epic boot and load times when your pc can't even handle the massive apps it's loading up.
It's the most important upgrade to a decent PC.
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Programs hanging and unresponsive apps aren't symptoms of not having an SSD. C'mon.

I'd start by running some diagnostics on your hard drive and ram. If those come back clean I'd do a clean reinstall of Windows.
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