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Programs hanging and unresponsive apps aren't symptoms of not having an SSD. C'mon.

I'd start by running some diagnostics on your hard drive and ram. If those come back clean I'd do a clean reinstall of Windows.
His HDD is 6 years old we are telling him this is a good time to upgrade it. We are giving advise.
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I've said this before and I'll say it again, a $500 computer can outperform a $5,000 computer if the high performance one doesn't have the right tweaks/hardware tied in to do what it does best.

Like everyone else here said, you need to get a solid state drive. I got the Corsair Force GT 120GB, I keep Windows on it as well as slow loading games like BF3. Of every computer upgrade I have ever bought in my entire life, the one upgrade that had the greatest impact and saves me real world time on load screens/booting is the solid state hard drive. And let me share with you something I learned taking up operating systems in my computer science major in college...

When we start our computer and run everything as typical, everything gets stored in our "volatile memory" we know as RAM. But that's not always the case. When they're too much information being processed beyond the RAMS capabilities, be it running out of memory or just too much information being processed too fast, your computer will do something else. It will actually store information on your primary hard drive, which can be very very very slow. This is something I learned by a very good college professor and I don't know if there is a way to test/prove that statement but according to the architecture of an OS, it can actually use your volatile data. And think about doing ANYTHING with a normal hard drive... it slowly starts the disc/platter routine of reading the data. I use two secondary drives at 250gb each, whenever I load anything from them they are just so slow compared to the SSD.

You invested in a good computer, do yourself justice and finish it off with the SSD, if you have load problems after that then I think you need to see if something is defective or not optimized right on your computer.
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it could be memory error, defective hdd, corrupted os that's making your pc to boot up slow...diagnose the vital parts one by one to eliminate the culprit then finish it off by getting yourself a ssd..Your system deserve a ssd to fully appreciate the sexiness of it.
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It's the most important upgrade to a decent PC.

*Upgrade* being key there. I'm on 2 7200 rpm drives. If i had $ i'd have an SSD, but my 3570K and GTX580 are far more important than an ssd.

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Programs hanging and unresponsive apps aren't symptoms of not having an SSD. C'mon.

I'd start by running some diagnostics on your hard drive and ram. If those come back clean I'd do a clean reinstall of Windows.

I second this. Test your HDD, Then test your ram. Even if you can't up to an SSD you might want to try and get at least a decent drive. I just went from running my OS on a 5400RPM 2.5 laptop drive because it's what I had at the moment to a 7200 RPM and the difference between those two is phenomenal.

Before you say I need an SSD I already know but guess what, I'm broke.
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a good ol OS reinstall does wonders...
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........ The tower cost about $1,200 or so to build by itself. Just to clarify smile.gif

I tried to look at your case in your pictures but I couldn't see it. Did you build it? Love to see pictures.

Solid build, I would also say an SSD just as a boot drive. Just all essential items. Other then that I like it. What do you use it for?
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I'd bet its this. Sounds like there's some EPIC bloatware on it, or a startup list of 2,000+ things.

Clear out your boot list (use CCleaner - yes, it can do that), and get it down to AT MOST 10 things (and even that's bad). Check your running processes (ctrl+shift+esc to open task manager), ideally that should be under 60. Then make sure your temps are good. Defrag (Defraggler is great).

Only thing that starts with Windows is Avast and my Nvidia drivers. I keep the PC free of viruses and spyware using Avast, Spybot S&D & Malware Bytes. I use CCleaner quite frequently to keep the registry clean and delete all temp files.

Windows 8 defrags itself in the background when the PC is idle, and I never turn the PC off. I've double checked the fragmentation status and there's nothing overly fragmented.

Temps are all good (tested over hours of Prime95 and OCCT). Case temp is barely over room temperature under load, CPU temp is never over 58c under load, and individual core temps are never over 62c. GPU temp is a little higher, hitting up to 70c under full load, but from what I understand that's fairly average.

I'm actually thinking it might be a bad memory module, even though Memtest didn't report anything. Going to pull them out one at a time and see. If no improvement, I might try what someone here suggested and downclock the memory to 1600 rather than running it at the native 1866.
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I tried to look at your case in your pictures but I couldn't see it. Did you build it? Love to see pictures.

Solid build, I would also say an SSD just as a boot drive. Just all essential items. Other then that I like it. What do you use it for?

Yes, I built it. I use if for everything - work, leisure, gaming. It's my all-in-one PC thumb.gif

The pics that are there are from an older build anyway. Had to do a motherboard swap a week or two ago, and added a few new things (such as the CPU fan and more case fans). I'll try to get some good ones on the new build and update them biggrin.gif
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a good ol OS reinstall does wonders...

I seriously considered that, because this started as a Windows 7 install on this drive in an OEM computer (installed since the day 7 came out), and was upgraded to Windows 8 the day 8 came out. So it's probably been 2-3 years since the drive was reformatted. However... the issue is getting all my programs and everything back on here. Since I use this PC for work, it would truly be a pain to recover from a reformat, and would cause a couple days of downtime at least. Might be a good weekend project though.
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SSD as others said. Anyone who thinks that a modern PC without an SSD has acceptable day-to-day performance and usability is only going to say that because they haven't got an SSD yet. I'd literally rather have half as many cores, half as much RAM, and half the GPUs with an SSD, than have twice as much without one, and I'm sure anyone else who uses an SSD on the daily will agree.

If you're having to kill processes regularly, and you can't figure out why (and it's happening to multiple processes, not just particular ones you suspect are buggy) then, if you can face it, I'd also reinstall windows. If you do that, then do a bunch of testing and benchmarking before installing anything else - get a baseline, then if it's not good, you know there's probably a hardware issue, if it's good, and degrades later, you know it's a driver or something else you installed.
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