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There are more issues with core i3/i5/i7 tablets than you think. The more obvious is the battery life and the price. The less known one is it's a desktop cpu, not made for tablets. It bugs a lot with sleep mode.

It's not a desktop CPU. It's a mobile CPU and those tend to have lower TDP compared to desktop models. Those probably use Ultrabook-class processors with 17W TDP (oh, 7W Haswell, wherefore art thou?). Intel has been able to lower their idle power consumption significantly so typical power consumption for Ivy Bridge tablets will probably be less than 10W. By the way, I haven't had any issues with my Sandy Bridge and Ivy Bridge laptops in sleep mode. Also, iirc, my Sandy Bridge laptops sit at around 7-8W while doing typical tasks such as web browsing, etc and those have normal 35W TDP mobile processors (will have to re-confirm this with the Kill-A-Watt).

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And while I do notice hickups playing 1080p videos on YouTube on my Atom (1080p movies in VLC etc work fine) and sometimes while surfing, the increased performance of core ix tablets does not justify paying twice the amount.

For you, perhaps. For me, the extra performance will be well worth the price assuming I can get at least 4 hours battery life and cooling/thermal design is decent. Before the iPad, $1,500~3,000 was the going price for tablets so I'm not particularly bothered by a $1,500 price tag as long as it's able to deliver. I'd rather pay extra for snappy performance than deal with all the CPU limitations of an Atom-based tablet (yes, I use an SSD for OS drive on all my systems). While I don't require the level of performance the i5-3317U can deliver, the problem is that Atom is still just too slow for me. With the Atom, my computer freezes for several minutes if I just even connect my e-reader to the netbook (granted, the e-reader does have a couple of thousand ebooks in it). I can usually bring the Atom to a crawl with my web browsing habits (around 20 windows with 50+ tabs each).

One nice thing about the Transformer Book is it'll also double as replacement laptop (assuming you don't need a high performance laptop). With the dock, you get even longer battery life. Probably way better compared to your typical Ultrabook.
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Well said...applaud.gif

I'll be using this as a notebook replacement. So core i5/i7 it is for me. My current notebook cost me close to $1500 and this will be an upgrade compared to it. Also this will last longer then my measly 4hrs.
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There are more issues with core i3/i5/i7 tablets than you think. The more obvious is the battery life and the price. The less known one is it's a desktop cpu, not made for tablets. It bugs a lot with sleep mode.

You have not said what you really want to do with it.
But you won't be able to do any serious gaming with that GPU. It's equivalent to 8800GT.
The battery won't last through a work day.
The only benefits of having that hardware is if you're planning to do some serious drawing on huge canvas in Photoshop.

And while I do notice hickups playing 1080p videos on YouTube on my Atom (1080p movies in VLC etc work fine) and sometimes while surfing, the increased performance of core ix tablets does not justify paying twice the amount.

I've had zero sleep issues with my i3/i5/i7 devices including notebooks and desktops confused.gif . I haven't heard of sleep being a real issue since Windows 7 with modern Intel hardware, and not with Windows 8 either. These mobile CPU's sleep and wakeup fine.

Battery life can be VERY long on these, easily lasting a full work day or more. Some are rated for up to 10 hours of screen-on usage and officework. Regarding gaming, the HD4000 with dual channel RAM is actually fairly strong for low/medium settings @ 1366x768 such as on an X230 Tablet convertible (see here: http://www.itsjustwhatever.com/2012/07/17/why-you-want-dual-channel-memory-for-your-hd4000-integrated-graphics/ ). For professionals who need a work device, pressure-sensitive tablets, both dockable or convertible, are EXTREMELY good value propositions. They also can double as "fun" devices but their main point isn't so you can browse youtube on your sofa at night. I have an X230T incoming that will be used for sculpting, modeling, texture painting (hand-drawn and photographs), coding, and more with game development work.

The Core iX tablets aren't really that bad on pricing... I'm paying $664 shipped + tax for mine:
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Processor: Intel® Core™ i5-3320M Processor (3M Cache, 2.60 GHz)( )
Operating system: Windows 7 Professional 64 - English
Display: 12.5" HD WXGA (1366 X 768) MultiTouch LED backlight"
Graphics: Intel® HD Graphics 4000
Memory: 4 GB PC3-12800 DDR3 SDRAM 1600MHz SODIMM Memory
Hard Drive: 128GB SATA 2.5" Solid State Drive
Optical Drive: No Optical Included
Battery: ThinkPad Battery 67+ (6 cell)
Warranty: 1 Year Standard Depot Warranty

I have a $15 windows 8 upgrade waiting and a $23 4gb low-voltage Samsung SODIMM DDR3-1600 waiting for it to arrive to add in biggrin.gif. Ones that have detachable docks are very strong as well and can be had for $700-1k with top-notch specs. Just because you personally don't need anything more than an entertainment device doesn't mean no one else needs a real machine.
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FWIW, this tegra3 processor is pretty quick. Quad core. Lol. Needs overclocking to its sucessor, the infinity.

300mhz extra you say? Lol
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I know exactly what a HD4000 is capable of when it comes to gaming. And it's not very capable.
With that X230T you won't be doing much modelling, that's for sure.
I have spent €3500 on my desktop PC for a reason, tablets are still way too slow for any serious gaming or modelling, programming etc. Core tablets are expensive here in Sweden. Hell, I paid almost $1000 (€750] for my Atom tablet. I considered ATIV Smart PC Pro, but it's like getting something that gives me performance boost but at the same time not enough performance boost.
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I know exactly what a HD4000 is capable of when it comes to gaming. And it's not very capable.
With that X230T you won't be doing much modelling, that's for sure.
I have spent €3500 on my desktop PC for a reason, tablets are still way too slow for any serious gaming or modelling, programming etc. Core tablets are expensive here in Sweden. Hell, I paid almost $1000 (€750] for my Atom tablet. I considered ATIV Smart PC Pro, but it's like getting something that gives me performance boost but at the same time not enough performance boost.

Where's that "not sure if serious" jpg? Ah hell with it... I'll type. The HD4000 in dual channel mode is plenty capable for lowish settings for gaming as I showed with the link before (here it is since you seem to have missed it: http://www.itsjustwhatever.com/2012/07/17/why-you-want-dual-channel-memory-for-your-hd4000-integrated-graphics/ ). Regarding modeling/programming/sculpting/texture painting, you've clearly not ever tried it with them, because even an old X60 Tablet is enough to do some lower-division zBrush work and paint in Photoshop. With an i5 3320M it'll do just fine wink.gif. Coding in Visual Studio 2012 will, obviously, work well (Ivy Bridge w/ HT dual-core + 8gb DDR3 + SSD), too. Blender/3ds Max/etc. run well by all accounts too, though I haven't gotten to try those yet on a tablet in person (I will be as soon as my X230T comes in). Your Atom tablet is about the performance of a slower, older Core Duo/Core 2 Duo CPU and has an anemic GPU. There's simply no comparison there at all.

Here's a much older/slower Asus Eee Slate (i5 470UM (first gen) cpu, 4gb ram, really really bad iGPU) from 2011 running Zbrush and Maya: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfB8_fL9mIc . Please conduct some basic research before spreading misinformation like that. Another: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8E1G9p4B9lY

EDIT: And here's the X60T: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeYLVD0qYwA & http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-AlOvMFq5k&hd=1 running Zbrush in some quick-demo sculpting and projection painting.
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gh I haven't gotten to try those yet on a tablet in person (I will be as soon as my X230T comes in). Your Atom tablet is about the performance of a slower, older Core Duo/Core 2 Duo CPU and has an anemic GPU. There's simply no comparison there at all.

Unfortunately, that's not true. While the GPU included with current Atom is probably more capable than the integrated Intel GPU available for Core 2, for the processors themselves, the Core 2 is still faster. I'd actually be quite content with the CPU performance of a Core 2 Wolfdale at 2GHz. Alas, the Atom currently still can't match that.
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Unfortunately, that's not true. While the GPU included with current Atom is probably more capable than the integrated Intel GPU available for Core 2, for the processors themselves, the Core 2 is still faster. I'd actually be quite content with the CPU performance of a Core 2 Wolfdale at 2GHz. Alas, the Atom currently still can't match that.

Ah, thanks for the correction there. Good to know.
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Acer W700?

Also, has there been any news about any AMD tablets?
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Acer W700?

Also, has there been any news about any AMD tablets?

Not that I read about!
    
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