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Oh it dominates pretty much every segment too. thumb.gif

Nvidia cleaned up sales this generation. AMD eventually turned out with strong performance after 12.11 drivers but it seems to have been too little too late. Nvidia's Kepler products were a resounding success on launch and that momentum was just too difficult to overcome for AMD. sometimes the first impression is the only impression that counts. Even though AMD has the best price perf at every price point with 12.11 beta / 13.1 whql and new cards like HD 7870 Tahiti LE the fact is Nvidia's Kepler GTX 600 generation has outsold AMD HD 7000 series.

AMD needs to get HD 8000 series launch spot on - performance, driver stability, frame latency and price perf. AMD should nail all of this and then they really would have learnt from their mistakes.

Very well said. Lot of common sense in this post smile.gif

2013 should be interesting.
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The only reason Nvidia sold more is because 50% of the user base are loyal fanboys. The cards are inferior in every way. Personally I find the slow 2GB memory unacceptable.
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The only reason Nvidia sold more is because 50% of the user base are loyal fanboys.
I agree! thumb.gif
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Anything less than a GTX 670 is a ripoff. Even the GTX 670 is a ripoff. When the GTX 670 reaches GTX 570 prices (~$200-250) then it would be considered okay. The only reason to buy Nvidia is for CUDA, PhysX can be run on CPU

For the GTX 670 , 4GB should be standard memory instead of $70-100 more than the 2gb one. For some reason (possibly the 192bit memory bus) there's many GTX 660Tis with 3GB RAM

The HD 7950 is the best deal followed by the HD7750 for HTPC (because it smokes the GT640), for the masses on 1080p. The 7850 smokes the GTX 650Ti in value as well...

You do realize that 4GB of RAM on a GTX 670 makes absolutely no difference in 99/100 circumstances, right?

http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/4665/palit_jetstream_geforce_gtx_680_4gb_video_card_review/index4.html
http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/4665/palit_jetstream_geforce_gtx_680_4gb_video_card_review/index7.html

And there's a ton of other links there too. The 4GB edition is only 5% better at MOST and even then, it's only because it has a higher clock speed.
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The only reason Nvidia sold more is because 50% of the user base are loyal fanboys. The cards are inferior in every way. Personally I find the slow 2GB memory unacceptable.

You make your own case why Nvidia sold more..opinion of course. They have turned customers into "Loyal Fanboys" your words, by delivering a more stable solution over the long haul which is an opinion many share, after getting burned by ATI/AMD in the past with Drivers.

Neither company is perfect by far, and I've even successfully RMA'd GTX590 in which Asus took care of me, (besides the point but had to be completely honest.) When big games launch, I have just had less problems with Nvidia. Yes this is totally off topic. frown.gif

Back on Topic: At the end of the day value does matter. It's quite ironic to hear this discourse on OCN, rolleyes.gif where we shoot for the stars performance wise "value be damned". However the points are still valid. I have no problem with AMD having great value in their cards selection base. Sharing this info is great, as not everyone needs or has the resources to get a monster card which literally is a waste of money to some.

What's important actually is that it's still a 2 company race. There is no value. Intel needs to get their stuff together, to bring more value to this market segment, but none of us see that happening soon.

I'm sure Intel's position is how many FPS does one need,"really" and does it make sense for them to triple the performance of their HD line if it's not going to payoff, or worse yet divert resources, power or silicon / Gate wise from their holy grail CPU division. If Intel is like every other company, I'm sure GPU, and CPU divisions had political clout issues within the company, and the GPU division gets back seat...obviously.
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long time ago i swore i will never touch ATI or AMD ever again, but with these prices its so tempting! their drivers still awful? I mean ive been spoiled by nvidia drivers and how pristine they are.

Really? I've had issues with nvidia's drivers. So much so that I like the 7870 better than a heavily overclocked 660 Ti for almost everything. What's sad is that the 660 Ti is definitely a faster card for the games I play, but the 7870 provides a more issue-free experience.

Again, that's my opinion, and it probably clashes with others, but at the moment, I like AMD/ATI better. thumb.gif
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long time ago i swore i will never touch ATI or AMD ever again, but with these prices its so tempting! their drivers still awful? I mean ive been spoiled by nvidia drivers and how pristine they are.

Really? I've had issues with nvidia's drivers. So much so that I like the 7870 better than a heavily overclocked 660 Ti for almost everything. What's sad is that the 660 Ti is definitely a faster card for the games I play, but the 7870 provides a more issue-free experience.

Again, that's my opinion, and it probably clashes with others, but at the moment, I like AMD/ATI better. thumb.gif

what games did you have driver issues with?

    
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what games did you have driver issues with?

The two big ones are BF3 and Minecraft... yes, Minecraft

BF3 exhibits a constant stutter in-game that is driving me nuts! The 306.97 drivers feel far superior to the 310.90s in that regard, both on Windows 7 and 8. The 7870 on Cat 13.1 beats it handily in smoothness of gameplay compared to the 660 Ti with either the 306.97 or 310.90.

Minecraft just keeps crashing constantly. Yes, the program has several mods on it (talk to any Minecraft admin or mod for a complete list in our approved mod pack), but to put it bluntly, those mods run great on the 7870 with the latest drivers. However, the 660 Ti on EVERY driver crashes about every 5 minutes or less. It's sad, too, because performance on the 660 Ti is superior to the 7870 in minecraft, but the constant crashing makes it unbearable.


Skyrim runs perfectly.
FC3 runs fine.
Planetside 2 runs great
Metro 2033 runs great
Everything else runs great

I'm not saying that the 660 Ti is a bad card, but for the time being, I'm having more issues with the games I play on the 660 Ti than I am on the 7870, and I cannot find a fix either.
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Love people who don't know what they're talking about, like this guy.

You don't need a great clocking 7950 to beat the 670 easily. 1100 and you're beyond GTX 680 performance, 1100 isn't even that much of an impressive OC, most of not all newer 7950s can reach those clocks. + there's plenty of 7950s that does 1200 and some even 1350. There is really no reason to get a 670 with inferior performance.

Sounds like someone can't see the forest for the trees when they think their favorite card is under attack.

Here's a 7950 roundup of reviews from March.

46 reviews did overclocks and the average was 1081 mhz.

http://www.gpureview.com/gpureviews-hd-7950-overclocking-roundup-article-909.html

Now let's do a quick google of 7950 voltage lock and see all the complaints. Yep, there is a lot. Without voltage, many 7950 fail to hit 1100 mhz let alone 1200 mhz.

Now, let put all that stuff aside and deal with first hand results.

My 7970 ghz clocked at 1250/1600 beats my 670 FTW max OC by 2 fps in Heaven and a few hundred points in 3dmark11.

My 7970 max oc 1300/1700 beats my 670 FTW max OC by 5 fps and a thousand points in 3dmark11.

The 7950 is a great card. The 670 is also a great card. At similar price, I'll take the guaranteed performance of the 670. Same way I bought the 7970 ghz vs a 680.
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