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the 8350 is a great choice I think

I just switched from an amd PII x6 1100t to MSI MPOWER z77 and 3770k and here are my thoughts:

I'm pretty happy with the new rig BUT I have noticed some weird issues with it like cpu microstuttering if thats what you want to call it where it will have an annoying lag when switching between programs or even internet tabs. so I like it overall but I'm not "BLOWN AWAY" by the difference that everyone that is an intel fanboy seems to go on and on about.

Logan and the gang from TEK SYNDICATE (youtube channel can be looked up) have recently done a lot of testing and found that the 8350 trades blows with the 3570k even when both are overclocked to moderate levels and the 8350 edges it out pretty easily in a good deal of their testing. This has caused some disbelief among the hardcore intel guys but given my experience with intel id actually say that i wish I had maybe gone for the 8350 and saved myself $100 and put that into a 8000 series card coming up.

So i use intel currently but I'd strongly advise to get 8350 because performance in everything should be better than 3570k or at least be even, and in gaming seems to more often then not take the edge. And I actually liked my old AMD rig better than my current intel. So don't buy into the intel hype like i did bc i dont think its really a big difference now with 8350 being on the scene

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so im happy but not impressed by all the hype because i havent seen it be true thusfar with new rig
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I'm not pretending. I didn't see your suggested motherboard, all I saw was that the OP wanted to use a 990FX Extreme4 in his build. However he could plop the FX-8350 into a $64 motherboard and purchase the same GPU you suggested, so I still don't see what you're getting at. Would I personally suggest overclocking a processor on a $64 motherboard? No, however with the FX-8350 option it's still a possibility.

A stock fx-8350 is inferior to a stock i5-3470 for gaming performance, so in that case you're recommending inferior performance for the same cost. Though you could get the same inferior performance for cheaper than the i5 with a stock fx-6300, I suppose.
    
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the 8350 is a great choice I think

I just switched from an amd PII x6 1100t to MSI MPOWER z77 and 3770k and here are my thoughts:

I'm pretty happy with the new rig BUT I have noticed some weird issues with it like cpu microstuttering if thats what you want to call it where it will have an annoying lag when switching between programs or even internet tabs. so I like it overall but I'm not "BLOWN AWAY" by the difference that everyone that is an intel fanboy seems to go on and on about.

Logan and the gang from TEK SYNDICATE (youtube channel can be looked up) have recently done a lot of testing and found that the 8350 trades blows with the 3570k even when both are overclocked to moderate levels and the 8350 edges it out pretty easily in a good deal of their testing. This has caused some disbelief among the hardcore intel guys but given my experience with intel id actually say that i wish I had maybe gone for the 8350 and saved myself $100 and put that into a 8000 series card coming up.

So i use intel currently but I'd strongly advise to get 8350 because performance in everything should be better than 3570k or at least be even, and in gaming seems to more often then not take the edge. And I actually liked my old AMD rig better than my current intel. So don't buy into the intel hype like i did bc i dont think its really a big difference now with 8350 being on the scene

link to vid:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4et7kDGSRfc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eu8Sekdb-IE

My setup for all that would dispute my claims:

3770k
samsung 840 250 gb
1866 16 gb ram
msi mpower
6950 2gb

so im happy but not impressed by all the hype because i havent seen it be true thusfar with new rig

That's a weird problem you're having. Not sure it's platform based, as my pentium g850 doesn't have that problem. *shrug*. But as an aside, Logan's benchmarks should be taken with a giant shovel of salt.

Issue #1 with Logan's benchmarks: He does the very same thing he criticizes other reviewers for in that very video - he reviews only a small number of games & uses the results from those very small numbers of games and then generalizes from those reviews to reach conclusions for all games. Which is understandable from a "these guys have limited time" point of view. But it's rather funny how hypocritical it is to call other people out for something only to DO IT HIMSELF IMMEDIATELY AFTER CALLING OTHER PEOPLE OUT.

Issue #2: Logan gets wildly different results for the i7-3820 & i7-3770k despite the similarity between the two processors. This seems to indicate one of them had a poorly seated heatsink or the benchmarks weren't easily repeatable (not measuring the same thing).

Issue #3: Logan doesn't benchmark any games I care about. Your results on this issue may vary.

On the other hand, I'd look seriously at the fx-8350 over an i5-3570k if you wanted to produce a stream for a game that otherwise enjoys a strong quad-core as a result of his video, so I wouldn't say it's completely without merit.
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A stock fx-8350 is inferior to a stock i5-3470 for gaming performance, so in that case you're recommending inferior performance for the same cost. Though you could get the same inferior performance for cheaper than the i5 with a stock fx-6300, I suppose.
? No it isn't. rolleyes.gif

With a single GPU, they're about the same, trading blows depending on the title.
If your sources are the same ones noobs use (which most are @ 800x600 or something crappy like that), then I would tell you those are not real-wold gaming benches.
@ 1080p, the 8350 & any i5 (SB or IB) are about the same in real-world gaming. And recommending a non-oc'able i5 over the 8350 on OCN is a bit sad....
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? No it isn't. rolleyes.gif

With a single GPU, they're about the same, trading blows depending on the title.
If your sources are the same ones noobs use (which most are @ 800x600 or something crappy like that), then I would tell you those are not real-wold gaming benches.
@ 1080p, the 8350 & any i5 (SB or IB) are about the same in real-world gaming. And recommending a non-oc'able i5 over the 8350 on OCN is a bit sad....

They're only about the same when you're looking at GPU-limited games. Which, granted, is most of them. So, other discussions aside, the big point is that, well, you're mostly right. For most games he CPU isn't going to matter. So it is better, from a gaming perspective, to get the cheaper locked-i5 system (low-cost mobo & no aftermarket cooler). This is what I don't understand. The performance point you're trying to make - it's all the same on the CPU front - suggests the OP should NOT get the 8350 but instead should get the i5, because that decision allows him the difference between, say, and 7850 and a 7870 for GPU. And that IS a big difference.

Why the heck are you going to tell him the "the 8350 & any i5 (SB or IB) are about the same in real-world gaming" and then suggest the more expensive one? That's just, well, mean.

Not to mention there are a few games where you're wrong. Civ 5, Shogun 2: Total War, and StarCraft 2 come to mind. All three of those are going to show better performance on an i5 than on an 8350. Even when the 8350 is heavily overclocked and the i5 is locked. For Civ 5, the time the AI takes up between turns will be a few seconds shorter. In Shogun 2: Total War, the game will be able to handle 40-unit battles when unit sizes have been modded to be at their absolute maximum better on the i5, for StarCraft 2, you'll get slightly better FPS when large numbers of units are on the screen (happens in late-game multiplaer, most often in team multiplayer).

Now these aren't huge differences. Even among people that play Shogun 2:Total War, not all of them push the game to such scenarios where you'll see the difference I mentioned, for example. But they are real-world examples where the i5 out-performs the fx-8350. There was one racing game that showed consistently better fps on an 8350 than on an i5-3570k, but I suspect this would be like the fps advantages of the i5 in Shogun 2 for scenarios less demanding than the one I outlined above: not a big deal in the real world.
    
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They're only about the same when you're looking at GPU-limited games. Which, granted, is most of them. So, other discussions aside, the big point is that, well, you're mostly right. For most games he CPU isn't going to matter. So it is better, from a gaming perspective, to get the cheaper locked-i5 system (low-cost mobo & no aftermarket cooler). This is what I don't understand. The performance point you're trying to make - it's all the same on the CPU front - suggests the OP should NOT get the 8350 but instead should get the i5, because that decision allows him the difference between, say, and 7850 and a 7870 for GPU. And that IS a big difference.

Why the heck are you going to tell him the "the 8350 & any i5 (SB or IB) are about the same in real-world gaming" and then suggest the more expensive one? That's just, well, mean.

Not to mention there are a few games where you're wrong. Civ 5, Shogun 2: Total War, and StarCraft 2 come to mind. All three of those are going to show better performance on an i5 than on an 8350. Even when the 8350 is heavily overclocked and the i5 is locked. For Civ 5, the time the AI takes up between turns will be a few seconds shorter. In Shogun 2: Total War, the game will be able to handle 40-unit battles when unit sizes have been modded to be at their absolute maximum better on the i5, for StarCraft 2, you'll get slightly better FPS when large numbers of units are on the screen (happens in late-game multiplaer, most often in team multiplayer).

Now these aren't huge differences. Even among people that play Shogun 2:Total War, not all of them push the game to such scenarios where you'll see the difference I mentioned, for example. But they are real-world examples where the i5 out-performs the fx-8350. There was one racing game that showed consistently better fps on an 8350 than on an i5-3570k, but I suspect this would be like the fps advantages of the i5 in Shogun 2 for scenarios less demanding than the one I outlined above: not a big deal in the real world.

Since the OP posted on overclock.net, I assumed he/she's into oc'ing. There's a joy in knowing that you can get extra performance from oc'ing. And since the i5-3470 & the FX-8350 cost exactly the same, I recommended going for the one that can oc. Its that simple.
Saying that the 3470 flat out beats the 8350 is what I have a problem with.
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Since the OP posted on overclock.net, I assumed he/she's into oc'ing. There's a joy in knowing that you can get extra performance from oc'ing. And since the i5-3470 & the FX-8350 cost exactly the same, I recommended going for the one that can oc. Its that simple.
Saying that the 3470 flat out beats the 8350 is what I have a problem with.

Actually, a lot of people post on overclock.net that just want performance, or even don't want to overclock. How they find themselves here, I don't know, but they do smile.gif. So your assumption is wrong. And yes, a locked i5 is the wrong way to go if you find an inherent joy in overclocking. In that case I'd recommend the fx-6300, so that the inherent joy of overclocking does not interfere with, you know, good graphics settings.

Not to mention even with a locked i5, you can still overclock your GPU. biggrin.gif

Also, if you've read through this thread, you're a fool if you think an i5-3470+cheap mATX mobo is the same price as an fx-8350+overclocking mobo+cpu cooler. Sorry, I can't say it nicer than that. Pretending there are no costs to anything but the CPU itself is about as effective as sticking your head in the sand and yelling "lalalalalalaala". It doesn't make unpleasant truth change.

But as for your last point, I never said the 3470 flat out beats the 8350. When the 8350 is overclocked, performance should be even in most games (including most CPU-limited scenarios, like BF3 multiplayer). There are a few where there's an exception. I stand by the exceptions I mentioned. SC2 performance has long been tracked on teamliquid.net, and it's relatively easy in a world where NO CPU in the world can manage 60+ fps in the late game to quickly see that the faster per-core performance of Intel is always better (for that game). As for Shogun 2:Total War, there's something about the IB instruction set. Notice how stock Ivy Bridge actually equals max-OC sandy bridge (yes, these results have been replicated on Total War fansites):

(old picture, ignore the red circles please)

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...... is about as effective as sticking your head in the sand and yelling "lalalalalalaala".......

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ASRock Extreme4 will be a decent choice as well.

But if the Sabertooth is similarly priced, then go for the ASUS because it is much more common and it has decent reviews.
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