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Eh? No they arnt. The AMD package is built around 4 cores, the Intel one is 2 dual cores stuck together basically. Native multi core also gives around a 1% - 5% (or around there) performance gain over the Intel solution. Small number, but its a easy bit of performance gained.
It's just twice as expensive. Looks like K8L will be a factor more expensive then Kentsfield.
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post #12 of 37
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It's just twice as expensive. Looks like K8L will be a factor more expensive then Kentsfield.
Might I ask you, how?

Its 1 Die, Intel is 2 Die's. How is producing 1 die more expensive then 2? Its not..
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post #13 of 37
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I would think that they're both native quad core, as they're both 4 cores in one package.

But AMD would lose that way, so we can't say that.
This is a technical atmosphere... so we must be technical

So...
Quad-Core = 4 Cores on one die and 4 cores on two dies
Native Quad-Core = 4 cores on one die
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post #14 of 37
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I would think that they're both native quad core, as they're both 4 cores in one package.

But AMD would lose that way, so we can't say that.
Sure... ...One just creates double the heat.
     
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post #15 of 37
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Might I ask you, how?

Its 1 Die, Intel is 2 Die's. How is producing 1 die more expensive then 2? Its not..
Actually, Intel made Kentsfield and Presler dual die to save on costs. Reason being is that if one core is bad, they dont have to toss out the whole thing, they can just replace one of the dies. It also allows you to better match the dies so that they run at a higher speed with less voltage.

In the case of C2D and X2, Intel and AMD went for performance over production cost. However, if one of the cores is bad, you have to discard the whole thing. Unless of course there is a way to disable the bad core and sell it as a single core.
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post #16 of 37
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Might I ask you, how?

Its 1 Die, Intel is 2 Die's. How is producing 1 die more expensive then 2? Its not..
Yields, dude. Yields.
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post #17 of 37
How AMD's production works is actually ahead of Intel unless their newer fabs have APM. APM = Automated Precision Manufactoring.

http://www.amd.com/us-en/Corporate/A..._10000,00.html

Im sure yields arnt even a problem.

And yes, you can disable bad cores, I beleive some of the single cores for 939 were actually dual cores with a defective core.
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post #18 of 37
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How AMD's production works is actually ahead of Intel unless their newer fabs have APM. APM = Automated Precision Manufactoring.

http://www.amd.com/us-en/Corporate/A..._10000,00.html

Im sure yields arnt even a problem.

And yes, you can disable bad cores, I beleive some of the single cores for 939 were actually dual cores with a defective core.
Who cares? Intel uses huge wafers, and produces at a smaller process. If the yields suck, AMD can't sell 3-core processors afaik...
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post #19 of 37
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Who cares? Intel uses huge wafers, and produces at a smaller process. If the yields suck, AMD can't sell 3-core processors afaik...
What are you even talking about? where did 3 core come from? Quad Core is going to be 65nm FYI. And Yields wont suck, because of APM. Its better than Intel's way of finding faults in processors and allows for higher yields initially and allows for stable yields quicker.
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I think we all just need to calm down. All the AMD fanboys *****ed and moaned when C2Q was on the horizon and spanked anything AMD could offer (except the upcoming $3000 4x4 platform), but now AMD is prepared to offer something a bit more powerful with native quad. However, don't fret children as now that AMD has planned a counter, Intel will undoubtedly come back with something better... 45nm fellas, it's the future. It's always gonna be tug of war, so just go with what's best at the time and quit the ARGUING ALREADY! It doesn't do anybody any good... christ.
Its not arguing. Its called a discussion. I was under the impression that discussion is what forums are for.

and ive said it once, and ill say it again.. The size of the transisters has no effect on performance, if its still C2, then it will have the performance of C2.
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